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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Kyle Huey <me@kylehuey.com>
Cc: "Jin, Yao" <yao.jin@linux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Vince Weaver <vincent.weaver@maine.edu>,
	acme@kernel.org, jolsa@kernel.org, kan.liang@intel.com,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	Robert O'Callahan <robert@ocallahan.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [REGRESSION] perf/core: PMU interrupts dropped if we entered the kernel in the "skid" region
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 18:19:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170628171943.GF8252@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP045AqMGwHKCiTTUQauX1ZivpnW-QW355rzCVLgdGn7HgOo3Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 09:46:43AM -0700, Kyle Huey wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:12 AM, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 09:51:00PM -0700, Kyle Huey wrote:
> >> My understanding of the situation is as follows:
> >>
> >> There is some time, call it t_0, where the hardware counter overflows.
> >> The PMU triggers an interrupt, but this is not instantaneous.  Call
> >> the time when the interrupt is actually delivered t_1.  Then t_1 - t_0
> >> is the "skid".
> >>
> >> Note that if the counter is `exclude_kernel`, then at t_0 the CPU
> >> *must* be running a userspace program.  But by t_1, the CPU may be
> >> doing something else.  Your patch changed things so that if at t_1 the
> >> CPU is in the kernel, then the interrupt is discarded.  But rr has
> >> programmed the counter to deliver a signal on overflow (via F_SETSIG
> >> on the fd returned by perf_event_open).  This change results in the
> >> signal never being delivered, because the interrupt was ignored.
> >> (More accurately, the signal is delivered the *next* time the counter
> >> overflows, which is far past where we wanted to inject our
> >> asynchronous event into our tracee.
> >
> > Yes, this is a bug.
> >
> > As we're trying to avoid smapling state, I think we can move the check
> > into perf_prepare_sample() or __perf_event_output(), where that state is
> > actually sampled. I'll take a look at that momentarily.
> >
> > Just to clarify, you don't care about the sample state at all? i.e. you
> > don't need the user program counter?
> 
> Right. `sample_regs_user`, `sample_star_user`, `branch_sample_type`,
> etc are all 0.
> https://github.com/mozilla/rr/blob/cf594dd01f07d96a61409e9f41a29f78c8c51693/src/PerfCounters.cc#L194
> is what we do use.

Given that, I must be missing something.

In __perf_event_overflow(), we already bail out early if
!is_sampling_event(event), i.e. when the sample_period is 0.

Your attr has a sample_period of zero, so something must be initialising
that.

Do you always call PERF_EVENT_IOC_PERIOD, or is something in the core
fiddling with the sample period behind your back?

It seems odd that an event without any samples to take has a sample
period. I'm surprised that there's not *some* sample_type set.

> > Is that signal delivered to the tracee, or to a different process that
> > traces it? If the latter, what ensures that the task is stopped
> > sufficiently quickly?
> 
> It's delivered to the tracee (via an F_SETOWN_EX with the tracee tid).
> In practice we've found that on modern Intel hardware that the
> interrupt and resulting signal delivery delay is bounded by a
> relatively small number of counter events.

Ok.

Thanks,
Mark.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-28 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-28  0:38 [REGRESSION] perf/core: PMU interrupts dropped if we entered the kernel in the "skid" region Kyle Huey
2017-06-28  1:01 ` Kyle Huey
2017-06-28  2:09   ` Jin, Yao
2017-06-28  4:51     ` Kyle Huey
2017-06-28  5:35       ` Jin, Yao
2017-06-28  7:30         ` Kyle Huey
2017-06-28 10:12       ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-28 10:56         ` [PATCH] perf/core: generate overflow signal when samples are dropped (WAS: Re: [REGRESSION] perf/core: PMU interrupts dropped if we entered the kernel in the "skid" region) Mark Rutland
2017-06-28 12:40           ` Vince Weaver
2017-06-28 13:07             ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-29  8:13               ` Alexey Budankov
2017-06-29  8:25                 ` Alexey Budankov
2017-06-28 16:48           ` Kyle Huey
2017-06-28 17:49             ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-28 22:55               ` Kyle Huey
2017-06-29  0:27                 ` Jin, Yao
2017-06-30 17:44                 ` Kyle Huey
2017-07-04  9:03                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-04  9:33                   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-04  9:46                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-04 10:21                     ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-06  5:07                       ` Robert O'Callahan
2017-07-11  2:03                         ` Kyle Huey
2017-07-11  9:03                           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-11 13:07                             ` Jin, Yao
2017-07-12  7:57                               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-11 14:26                             ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-11 15:32                             ` Kyle Huey
2017-07-18  0:07                               ` Kyle Huey
2017-06-29  8:12               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-04  9:06                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-04 10:04                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-11  9:03           ` [tip:perf/urgent] Revert "perf/core: Drop kernel samples even though :u is specified" tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2017-06-28 16:46         ` [REGRESSION] perf/core: PMU interrupts dropped if we entered the kernel in the "skid" region Kyle Huey
2017-06-28 17:19           ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2017-06-28 17:36             ` Kyle Huey
2017-06-28 17:52               ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-28 17:48             ` Robert O'Callahan

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