From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/2] x86: Allow breakpoints to emulate call functions
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 12:37:48 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190508123748.1737b8b5@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wg5_fwx_-ybD9TLQE4rAUqtYzO2CAmpciWTkDn3dtKMOw@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 7 May 2019 21:50:52 -0700
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > It's been a bane of mine for some time.
>
> Guys, I have basically a one-liner patch for your hangups.
>
> It's called "rename 'sp' to 'user_sp' on x86-32".
>
> Then we make the 'sp' field on x86-64 be a union, so that you can call
> it user_sp or sp as you wish.
>
> Yeah, it's really more than one line, because obviously the users will
> need chaning, but honestly, that would be a _real_ cleanup. Make the
> register match what it actually is.
But is it? Sure, it will be a reminder that it's different for x86-32,
but that still doesn't take away the fact that pt_regs on x86_32 is an
anomaly! Where else do we have part of a data structure that can't be
read because it can possibly fault? If regs is a valid pointer, one
would think that simply reading regs->sp (or regs->user_sp) would be no
more dangerous than reading regs->ip.
The difference between entry_32.S from entry_64.S causes it to spill
into C code, making the x86_64 code more difficult to deal with. Sure,
10 to 15 years ago, all your arguments would make sense. But today, who
uses x86_32? Perhaps you may use it in a VM, but I asked a few
developers when was the last time they used one, they told me 5 to 7
years ago. I only boot x86_32 to test to make sure I didn't break it.
Yes, your diffstat is really nice to the changes to entry_32.S, but at
what cost? To make the x86_64 code more complex? That whole returning
the regs in the int3 handler makes no sense on x86_64, but yet we would
need to do it to handle x86_32. Why burden the architecture of today
and tomorrow with the architecture of yesterday? x86_32 is becoming
more obsolete by the day. It baffles me why we wouldn't want to contain
its complexity in a single file then to spread it out like wildfire
across the generic x86 code.
The ®s->sp hack is just one more rung in the complex learning curve
ladder of becoming a Linux kernel developer.
-- Steve
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-05-08 16:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20190501202830.347656894@goodmis.org>
2019-05-01 20:28 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] x86: Allow breakpoints to emulate call functions Steven Rostedt
2019-05-02 3:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-02 16:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 16:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 18:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-02 18:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 18:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 18:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-02 19:28 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-05-02 20:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-02 20:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 20:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-02 21:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-03 19:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 21:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-03 22:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 23:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-04 4:17 ` Steven Rostedt
[not found] ` <CAHk-=wiuSFbv_rELND-BLWcP0GSZ0yF=xOAEcf61GE3bU9d=yg@mail.gmail.com>
2019-05-04 18:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-04 20:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-04 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-04 20:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-03 22:55 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-03 23:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-03 23:32 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-02 22:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-02 23:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-02 23:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 1:51 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2 v2] " Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 9:29 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] " Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-03 13:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 16:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-03 16:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 16:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-03 16:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-03 16:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 16:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-03 18:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 8:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-06 13:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 16:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 16:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 17:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 18:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 18:57 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 19:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 20:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 20:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 20:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 21:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 22:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 22:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 0:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 1:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 1:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 1:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 1:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 1:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 2:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 2:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 3:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 3:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 3:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 14:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 15:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 15:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 16:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 15:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 15:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 16:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 17:21 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-05-07 21:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-08 4:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-08 16:37 ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2019-05-07 17:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 9:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 14:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-07 14:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 14:13 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-05-07 17:15 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-05-06 14:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 8:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 9:18 ` David Laight
2019-05-07 11:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 12:57 ` David Laight
2019-05-07 13:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 14:50 ` David Laight
2019-05-07 14:57 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 15:46 ` David Laight
2019-05-07 13:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 9:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 12:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 12:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 12:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 17:22 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-05-07 14:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 20:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 15:14 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-05-01 20:28 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] ftrace/x86: Emulate call function while updating in breakpoint handler Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 10:22 ` [RFC][PATCH 1.5/2] x86: Add int3_emulate_call() selftest Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-03 18:46 ` Steven Rostedt
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