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From: Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>
To: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
Cc: Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	bsingharora@gmail.com, Marco Elver <elver@google.com>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	syzbot <syzbot+c5d03165a1bd1dead0c1@syzkaller.appspotmail.com>,
	syzkaller-bugs <syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] taskstats: fix data-race
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 13:31:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191024113155.GA7406@andrea.guest.corp.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACT4Y+Y86HFnQGHyxv+f32tKDJXnRxmL7jQ3tGxVcksvtK3L7Q@mail.gmail.com>

> How these later loads can be completely independent of the pointer
> value? They need to obtain the pointer value from somewhere. And this
> can only be done by loaded it. And if a thread loads a pointer and
> then dereferences that pointer, that's a data/address dependency and
> we assume this is now covered by READ_ONCE.

The "dependency" I was considering here is a dependency _between the
load of sig->stats in taskstats_tgid_alloc() and the (program-order)
later loads of *(sig->stats) in taskstats_exit().  Roughly speaking,
such a dependency should correspond to a dependency chain at the asm
or registers level from the first load to the later loads; e.g., in:

  Thread [register r0 contains the address of sig->stats]

  A: LOAD r1,[r0]	// LOAD_ACQUIRE sig->stats
     ...
  B: LOAD r2,[r0]	// LOAD *(sig->stats)
  C: LOAD r3,[r2]

there would be no such dependency from A to C.  Compare, e.g., with:

  Thread [register r0 contains the address of sig->stats]

  A: LOAD r1,[r0]	// LOAD_ACQUIRE sig->stats
     ...
  C: LOAD r3,[r1]	// LOAD *(sig->stats)

AFAICT, there's no guarantee that the compilers will generate such a
dependency from the code under discussion.


> Or these later loads of the pointer can also race with the store? If
> so, I think they also need to use READ_ONCE (rather than turn this earlier
> pointer load into acquire).

AFAICT, _if the LOAD_ACQUIRE reads from the mentioned STORE_RELEASE,
then the former must induce enough synchronization to eliminate data
races (as well as any undesired re-ordering).

TBH, I am not familiar enough with the underlying logic of this code
to say whether that "if .. reads from .." pre-condition holds by the
time those *(sig->stats) execute.

Thanks,
  Andrea

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-10-24 11:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20191007104039.GA16085@andrea.guest.corp.microsoft.com>
2019-10-07 11:01 ` [PATCH v2] taskstats: fix data-race Christian Brauner
2019-10-07 13:18   ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-07 13:28     ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-07 13:50     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-07 13:55       ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-07 14:08         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-07 14:10           ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-07 14:14       ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-07 14:18         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-08 14:20           ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-08 14:24             ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-08 15:26               ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-08 15:35                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-08 15:44                   ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-09 11:31                     ` [PATCH] " Christian Brauner
2019-10-09 11:40                       ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-09 11:48                       ` [PATCH v5] " Christian Brauner
2019-10-09 12:08                         ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-09 13:26                         ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-21 11:33                         ` [PATCH v6] " Christian Brauner
2019-10-21 12:19                           ` Rasmus Villemoes
2019-10-21 13:04                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-11-29 17:56                               ` Will Deacon
2019-11-30 15:08                                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-23 12:16                           ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-23 12:39                             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-23 13:11                               ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-23 13:20                                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-24 11:31                               ` Andrea Parri [this message]
2019-10-24 11:51                                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-24 13:05                                   ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-24 13:13                                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-24 13:21                                       ` Christian Brauner
2019-10-24 13:34                                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-24 13:43                                       ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-24 13:58                                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-24 14:40                                           ` Andrea Parri
2019-10-24 14:49                                             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-11-29 17:57                           ` Will Deacon
2019-10-09 11:48                       ` [PATCH] " Marco Elver
2019-10-09 11:53                         ` Christian Brauner

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