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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Chris Mason <clm@meta.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>, Pat Cody <pat@patcody.io>,
	mingo@redhat.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	vschneid@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	patcody@meta.com, kernel-team@meta.com, stable@vger.kernel.org,
	Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/fair: Add null pointer check to pick_next_entity()
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 12:07:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250415100705.GL5600@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0049c6a0-8802-416c-9618-9d714c22af49@meta.com>

On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 11:38:15AM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
> 
> 
> On 4/14/25 5:08 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> [ math and such ]
> 
> 
> > The zero_vruntime patch I gave earlier should avoid this particular
> > issue.
> 
> Here's a crash with the zero runtime patch. 

And indeed it doesn't have these massive (negative) avg_vruntime values.

> I'm trying to reproduce
> this outside of prod so we can crank up the iteration speed a bit.

Thanks.

Could you add which pick went boom for the next dump?



I am however, slightly confused by this output format.

It looks like it dumps the cfs_rq the first time it encounters it,
either through curr or through the tree.

So if I read this correct the root is something like:

> nr_running = 2
> zero_vruntime = 19194347104893960
> avg_vruntime = 6044054790
> avg_load = 2
> curr = {
>   cgroup urgent
>   vruntime = 24498183812106172
>   weight = 3561684 => 3478
> }
> tasks_timeline = [
>   {
>     cgroup optional
>     vruntime = 19194350126921355
>     weight = 1168 => 2
>   },
> ]

group  19194347104893960
curr   24498183812106172 3561684
entity 19194350126921355 1168

But if I run those numbers, I get avg_load == 1, seeing how 1168/1024 =
1. But the thing says it should be 2.

Similarly, my avg_vruntime is exactly half of what it says.

avg_vruntime: 3022027395
avg_load: 1

(seeing how 19194350126921355-19194347104893960 = 3022027395)

Anyway, with curr being significantly to the right of that, the 0-lag
point is well right of where optional sits. So this pick should be fine,
and result in 'optional' getting selected (curr is no longer eligible).

All the urgent/* groups have nr_running == 0, so are not interesting,
we'll not pick there.

NOTE: I'm inferring curr is on_rq, because nr_running == 2 and the tree
only has 1 entity in it. 

NOTE: if we ignore curr, then optional sits at exactly the 0-lag point,
with either sets of numbers and so should be eligible.


This then leaves us the optional/* groups.

>     cgroup optional
>     rq = {
>       nr_running = 2
>       zero_vruntime = 440280059357029
>       avg_vruntime = 476
>       avg_load = 688
>       tasks_timeline = [
>         {
>           cgroup optional/-610613050111295488
>           vruntime = 440280059333960
>           weight = 291271 => 284
>         },
>         {
>           cgroup optional/-610609318858457088
>           vruntime = 440280059373247
>           weight = 413911 => 404
>         },

group 440280059357029
entity 440280059333960 291271
entity 440280059373247 413911

Which gives:

avg_vruntime: 476
avg_load: 688

And that matches.

Next we have:

>           cgroup optional/-610613050111295488
>           rq = {
>             nr_running = 5
>             zero_vruntime = 65179829005
>             avg_vruntime = 0
>             avg_load = 75
>             tasks_timeline = [
>               {
>                 task = 261672 (fc0)
>                 vruntime = 65189926507
>                 weight = 15360 => 15
>               },
>               {
>                 task = 261332 (fc0)
>                 vruntime = 65189480962
>                 weight = 15360 => 15
>               },
>               {
>                 task = 261329 (enc1:0:vp9_fbv)
>                 vruntime = 65165843516
>                 weight = 15360 => 15
>               },
>               {
>                 task = 261334 (dec0:0:hevc_fbv)
>                 vruntime = 65174065035
>                 weight = 15360 => 15
>               },
>               {
>                 task = 261868 (fc0)
>                 vruntime = 65179829005
>                 weight = 15360 => 15
>               },
>             ]
>           }


avg_vruntime: 0
avg_load: 75

This again matches, leaving the bottom 3 tasks eligible.

And finally:

>           cgroup optional/-610609318858457088
>           rq = {
>             nr_running = 1
>             zero_vruntime = 22819875784
>             avg_vruntime = 0
>             avg_load = 15
>             tasks_timeline = [
>               {
>                 task = 273291 (fc0)
>                 vruntime = 22819875784
>                 weight = 15360 => 15
>               },
>             ]
>           }

Rather boring indeed, but the numbers appear correct.


So I'm not immediately seeing where it would go boom, but seeing how the
root group is the one with dodgy numbers, I would suspect that -- but
I'm not immediately seeing how... :-(

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-15 10:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-20 20:53 [PATCH] sched/fair: Add null pointer check to pick_next_entity() Pat Cody
2025-03-20 22:42 ` Christian Loehle
2025-03-21 17:52   ` Pat Cody
2025-03-24 11:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-25 15:12   ` Pat Cody
2025-03-25 18:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-26 19:26       ` Pat Cody
2025-04-02 14:59   ` Rik van Riel
2025-04-02 18:07     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-09 14:29       ` Rik van Riel
2025-04-09 15:27         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-11 14:51           ` Rik van Riel
2025-04-14  9:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-14 15:38               ` Chris Mason
2025-04-15 10:07                 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-04-16  7:59                   ` Peter Zijlstra

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