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From: Fernand Sieber <sieberf@amazon.com>
To: <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: <abusse@amazon.de>, <bp@alien8.de>, <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	<dwmw@amazon.co.uk>, <hborghor@amazon.de>, <hpa@zytor.com>,
	<jschoenh@amazon.de>, <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <mingo@redhat.com>,
	<nh-open-source@amazon.com>, <nsaenz@amazon.es>,
	<pbonzini@redhat.com>, <seanjc@google.com>, <sieberf@amazon.com>,
	<stable@vger.kernel.org>, <tglx@linutronix.de>, <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: x86/pmu: Do not accidentally create BTS events
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2025 11:59:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251202095930.166761-1-sieberf@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251202093534.GA2458571@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Dec 02, 2025 at 10:35:34AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2025 at 02:45:01PM +0000, Woodhouse, David wrote:
> > On Mon, 2025-12-01 at 16:23 +0200, Fernand Sieber wrote
> > > Perf considers the combination of PERF_COUNT_HW_BRANCH_INSTRUCTIONS with
> > > a sample_period of 1 a special case and handles this as a BTS event (see
> > > intel_pmu_has_bts_period()) -- a deviation from the usual semantic,
> > > where the sample_period represents the amount of branch instructions to
> > > encounter before the overflow handler is invoked.
> >
> > That's kind of awful, and seems to be the real underlying cause of the KVM
> > issue. Can we kill it with fire? Peter?
>
> Well, IIRC it gives the same information and was actually less expensive
> to run, seeing how BTS can buffer the data rather than having to take an
> interrupt on every event.
>
> But its been ages since this was done.
>
> Now arguably it should not be done for this kvm stuff, because the
> data-store buffers don't virtualize (just like old PEBS).

This. The current logic bypasses what the guest should actually be allowed
to do. See `vmx_get_supported_debugctl`, specifically the guest should not
be allowed to enable BTS.

Also semi related to this thread, but the auto enablement of BTS for
sample_period = 1 seems to yield undesirable behavior on the guest OS. The
guest OS will try to enable BTS and guest a wrmsr failure because the host
KVM rejects it, which leads to incorrect behavior (no tracing at all
happening).



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  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-02 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-01 14:23 [PATCH] KVM: x86/pmu: Do not accidentally create BTS events Fernand Sieber
2025-12-01 14:26 ` kernel test robot
2025-12-01 14:45 ` Woodhouse, David
2025-12-02  9:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-02  9:59     ` Fernand Sieber [this message]
2025-12-02 10:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-02 12:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-02 16:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-12-10 10:11     ` Fernand Sieber
2025-12-10 11:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 18:36         ` [PATCH v2] perf/x86/intel: Do not enable BTS for guests Fernand Sieber
2025-12-11 18:38           ` kernel test robot
2026-01-14 17:25           ` David Woodhouse
2026-01-21 13:57             ` Fernand Sieber
2026-01-21 15:31               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-21 15:50           ` [tip: perf/urgent] " tip-bot2 for Fernand Sieber

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