From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF2EA24467F; Wed, 9 Jul 2025 21:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1752095679; cv=none; b=JQ+xgj0SybSo7c5X3QPyrf+gcZRwLTymybMgq6kBV/++JXwCh3eWeCkTgwash2NZfeszOQ4qy2cDMJqHfO/1xMFrVyGW3N/wn4YsU2iZYwI6wMSof9mNVmiAoP7hceNlfSoOPCYZxElF5UPO75zsGfQhgBLnWGNuT0g58SpDT00= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1752095679; c=relaxed/simple; bh=P1DoSAva6EWU/0jIyHTXxv6AJdJvqc9wcq7KgycXTVE=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=FHMI5cZUglyAo0A5+sfkB3wHJZHwByMf6V4APYy/UzJLa8dgkcjvIyAhd41vLD+3nSrwHPiXXkzWzYwB/849/fF8Zdv1WMVVGcfBqfxjyOAcVX8MCcoGq/ypLQyONHb1odDg0ojTBquYaF0yHfmXQbzNilgOPRenZwwno8SeWn4= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=huzGxltQ; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="huzGxltQ" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3B17C4CEEF; Wed, 9 Jul 2025 21:14:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1752095679; bh=P1DoSAva6EWU/0jIyHTXxv6AJdJvqc9wcq7KgycXTVE=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=huzGxltQLlKst7as9HvUXStmvqytuhUDCz8MvGdlfWrwFNCK8vAprGN0100hbWyyY E6t8CVQofePVHMLoXcC4HIVM/fOZKmkli94pvUSWjwsSG7Ch+i5gQI8rsEs9EAtanG yAZEF8PaFupa0dMWZSumyDHRrnfvIAxOh2ALmwEydlTsxnItzyuG5v7gg0sSfLvwfK Fjd9lQL7hqcFNXGG9rz8J9FbGLd9FyjiTebQjsXP55G6sbr2YB9wC6ir9BFsR2DinU ueJ9z29t0CWLlp55iZZg2zgnQCORB35grOJFza/68ReapaEqbSULvQ+/D3Xd6RFgqG ZOSLI2ouE1TcQ== Message-ID: <46f581c6-bb61-4163-91a5-27b90838dca8@kernel.org> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2025 15:14:38 -0600 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: stable@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Sasha Levin is halucinating, non human entity, has no ethics and no memory To: Pavel Machek , sashal@kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org, kernel list , conduct@kernel.org, ebiederm@xmission.com, shuah References: Content-Language: en-US From: Shuah In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/8/25 14:39, Pavel Machek wrote: > Hi! > > So... I'm afraid subject is pretty accurate. I assume there's actual > human being called "Sasha Levin" somewhere, but I interact with him > via email, and while some interactions may be by human, some are > written by LLM but not clearly marked as such. > > And that's not okay -- because LLMs lie, have no ethics, and no > memory, so there's no point arguing with them. Its just wasting > everyone's time. People are not very thrilled by 'Markus Elfring' on > the lists, as he seems to ignore feedback, but at least that's actual > human, not a damn LLM that interacts as human but then ignores > everything. > You aren't talking to an LLM - My understanding is that Sasha is sending these patches (generated with LLM assist) and discussing them on mailing lists. Do you have links/threads you can share to show how feedback is being ignored? > Do we need bot rules on the list? We have to get humans to follow agreed upon rules of conduct before coming up with bot rules. > > Oh, and if you find my email offensive, feel free to ask LLM to change > the tone. > I am sorry this isn't how we treat our fellow developers - Please take steps to make amends. thanks, -- Shuah (On behalf of the Code of Conduct Committee)