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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@cyphar.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Seth Forshee <sforshee@kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] file: always lock position
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:05:13 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <790fbcff-9831-e5cf-2aaf-1983d9c2cffe@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wijcZGxrw8+aukW-m2YRGn5AUWfZsPSscez7w7_EqfuGQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/24/23 12:01?PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 at 10:46, Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think we do but it's something to keep in mind with async io
>> interfaces where the caller is free to create other threads after having
>> registered a request. Depending on how file references are done things
>> can get tricky easily.
> 
> Honestly, by now, the io_uring code had *better* understand that it
> needs to act exactly like a user thread.
> 
> Anything else is simply not acceptable. io_uring has been a huge pain,
> and the only thing that salvaged the horror was that the io_uring
> async code should now *always* be done as a real thread.
> 
> If io_uring does something from truly async context (ie interrupts,
> not io_uring threads), then io_uring had better be very *very*
> careful.
> 
> And any kind of "from kthread context" is not acceptable. We've been
> there, done that, and have the battle scars. Never again.
> 
> So the absolutely *only* acceptable context is "I'm a real
> io_uringthread that looks exactly like a user thread in every which
> way, except I never return to user space".
> 
> And if io_uring does absolutely _anything_ to file descriptors from
> any other context, it needs to be fixed *NOW*.

io_uring never does that isn't the original user space creator task, or
from the io-wq workers that it may create. Those are _always_ normal
threads. There's no workqueue/kthread usage for IO or file
getting/putting/installing/removing etc.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-24 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-24 15:00 [PATCH] file: always lock position Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 15:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 16:19   ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 16:36     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 16:51       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-02  4:44         ` Al Viro
2023-07-24 17:23       ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 17:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 17:46           ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 18:01             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 18:05               ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2023-07-24 18:27                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 18:48                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 22:25                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 22:56                       ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-25 18:30                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-25 20:41                           ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-25 20:51                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-25 20:58                               ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-26  8:36                               ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-26 10:31                                 ` David Laight
2023-07-26 12:53                                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-26  8:07                           ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 16:46   ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 16:59     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 17:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-03  9:53       ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-03 14:15         ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-03 15:17           ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-03 15:18             ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-03 15:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-03 17:54           ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-03 18:02           ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-03 18:35             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-04 13:43               ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-04 13:59                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-02  3:43               ` Al Viro
     [not found] <20230804-turnverein-helfer-ef07a4d7bbec@brauner>
2023-08-05 11:46 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-05 18:47   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-05 19:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-06  6:10       ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-06 13:25         ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-06 17:48           ` Linus Torvalds

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