From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from ms.lwn.net (ms.lwn.net [45.79.88.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AFAC2F3647; Thu, 10 Jul 2025 17:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=45.79.88.28 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1752170196; cv=none; b=qZj1fxdjaVPitB38KsUbs7IJ3oO+4euKLtKmrts/rZNVqH/1GKuwYakywL1NHDgUlDcbhLhn6BUw4dierxyB2byMhRqvMFlLC5YQpRdFgSj3CqfKPJnqHeY9sjQNtfJYhWaKAbKbzS6Ri3Sq9ngXC10Uv4x45N49W/J1fUGkj7w= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1752170196; c=relaxed/simple; bh=R2uBYRRVEDvnGQyRlNCUOU964/QuqXxp/NqMrC5S4b8=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mQSQSz98YwwK3XL9aAoQSYNRk9Q2YJwFsgwOVojynUrdIMj35O4up+Q7WlTuhtdTW04pa1gtkw4yVvUXCUjK9idkR9CXwtX+DY2nFz+uQ6LeyXFQTGTjM9pbgo/xqucgpcKHaIHAyh/slGw/AtY2a6sylpyMH8/S/P126ded6c8= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=lwn.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lwn.net; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lwn.net header.i=@lwn.net header.b=JGITLxDl; arc=none smtp.client-ip=45.79.88.28 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=lwn.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lwn.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lwn.net header.i=@lwn.net header.b="JGITLxDl" DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 ms.lwn.net 1CD67406FC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lwn.net; s=20201203; t=1752170188; bh=StHzJFEIgFoVTiFfu56FB8R7lyhp9GMEl5iQdWvQYb4=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=JGITLxDlEmdqwW+SNQ4aY9pYjrHrd2bBCHKvjYut/F1eKnySWszz4FQDB4EutM8hJ Ok92m8IB4IzW+FpfarkNM35cw68oPIZCvzb2EqbduOVCYIuP3h2Uf4pAIcgmsrQDz4 ozYFmo5Yn/lbBpg0vUzbpbff63FTccg2oeC7xRWW+8BT5k9l1c+g2g7/kbT7mEDl21 M5ZYYc+KDxkvSupo81GzfeiCgZbgA99bW4oK2xom3SNVkpWOvUmowaTyetPbQJunK6 k7W1unAMNQFrM0hxEDilS//BZQYJ0VZxSeHdHC3UMBGJtpOifMPQnd2XkSqI9RmpXR oZA6N70tgMykA== Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2601:280:4600:2da9::1fe]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ms.lwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1CD67406FC; Thu, 10 Jul 2025 17:56:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Jonathan Corbet To: Pavel Machek , sashal@kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org, kernel list , conduct@kernel.org, ebiederm@xmission.com Subject: Re: Sasha Levin is halucinating, non human entity, has no ethics and no memory In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:56:27 -0600 Message-ID: <87ple8x73o.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: stable@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Pavel Machek writes: > Hi! > > So... I'm afraid subject is pretty accurate. I assume there's actual > human being called "Sasha Levin" somewhere, but I interact with him > via email, and while some interactions may be by human, some are > written by LLM but not clearly marked as such. > > And that's not okay -- because LLMs lie, have no ethics, and no > memory, so there's no point arguing with them. Its just wasting > everyone's time. People are not very thrilled by 'Markus Elfring' on > the lists, as he seems to ignore feedback, but at least that's actual > human, not a damn LLM that interacts as human but then ignores > everything. So ... we probably need to have discussions about the role LLMs will play in kernel development, but this is not the way to do it. You are talking about a fellow human, and should treat him with respect. Please, let's not have this kind of attack here. jon