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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@denx.de>, Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  stable@vger.kernel.org,
	Max Grobecker <max@grobecker.info>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	 tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,  x86@kernel.org,
	thomas.lendacky@amd.com, perry.yuan@amd.com,
	 mario.limonciello@amd.com, riel@surriel.com, mjguzik@gmail.com,
	 darwi@linutronix.de, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: CONFIG_X86_HYPERVISOR (was: Re: [PATCH AUTOSEL 5.10 2/6] x86/cpu: Don't clear X86_FEATURE_LAHF_LM flag in init_amd_k8() on AMD when running in a virtual machine)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 17:08:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aAwj_Tkqj4GtywDe@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250424203110.GCaAqfjnr-fogRgnt7@renoirsky.local>

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 12:18:50PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Not quite.  KVM supports all of those seamlessly, with some caveats.  E.g. if
> > host userspace and guest kernel are trying to use the same DRx, the guest will
> > "lose" and not get its #DBs.
> 
> Pff, so cloud providers have big fat signs over their workstations
> saying: you're not allowed to use breakpoints on production systems?

Heh, it's a bit more than a sign.

> With my silly thinking, I'd prefer to reglement this more explicitly and
> actually have the kernel enforce policy:

The kernel already can enforce policy.  Setting host breakpoints on guest code
is done through a dedicated ioctl(), and access to said ioctl() can be restricted
through various sandboxing methods, e.g. seccomp.

> HV userspace has higher prio with #DB or guests do. But the "losing" bit
> sounds weird and not nice.

Yeah, it's weird and not nice.  But if a human is interactive debugging a guest,
odds are very, very good that a missing breakpoint in the guest is not at all a
concern.

> > Definitely not.  All I was thinking was something like:
> > 
> > diff --git a/arch/x86/include/asm/debugreg.h b/arch/x86/include/asm/debugreg.h
> > index fdbbbfec745a..a218c5170ecd 100644
> > --- a/arch/x86/include/asm/debugreg.h
> > +++ b/arch/x86/include/asm/debugreg.h
> > @@ -121,7 +121,7 @@ static __always_inline unsigned long local_db_save(void)
> >  {
> >         unsigned long dr7;
> >  
> > -       if (static_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_HYPERVISOR) && !hw_breakpoint_active())
> > +       if (static_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_DRS_MAY_VMEXIT) && !hw_breakpoint_active())
> >                 return 0;
> >  
> >         get_debugreg(dr7, 7);
> > 
> > Where X86_FEATURE_DRS_MAY_VMEXIT is set if HYPERVISOR is detected, but then
> > cleared by SEV-ES+ and TDX guests with guaranteed access to DRs.  That said,
> > even that much infrastructure probably isn't worth the marginal benefits.
> 
> Btw you can replace that X86_FEATURE_DRS_MAY_VMEXIT with a cc_platform
> flag which gets properly set on all those coco guest types as those
> flags are exactly for that stuff.

No, that would defeat the purpose of the check.  The X86_FEATURE_HYPERVISOR has
nothing to do with correctness, it's all about performance.  Critically, it's a
static check that gets patched at runtime.  It's a micro-optimization for bare
metal to avoid a single cache miss (the __this_cpu_read(cpu_dr7)).  Routing
through cc_platform_has() would be far, far heavier than calling hw_breakpoint_active().

I pointed out the SEV-ES+/TDX cases because they likely would benefit from that
same micro-optimization, i.e. by avoiding the call to hw_breakpoint_active().

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-26  0:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-31 14:37 [PATCH AUTOSEL 5.10 1/6] pm: cpupower: bench: Prevent NULL dereference on malloc failure Sasha Levin
2025-03-31 14:37 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 5.10 2/6] x86/cpu: Don't clear X86_FEATURE_LAHF_LM flag in init_amd_k8() on AMD when running in a virtual machine Sasha Levin
2025-04-18 16:54   ` Pavel Machek
2025-04-18 17:19     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-04-18 17:36       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-04-18 18:31         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-04-18 19:12           ` Borislav Petkov
2025-04-22 17:22             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-04-22 17:33               ` CONFIG_X86_HYPERVISOR (was: Re: [PATCH AUTOSEL 5.10 2/6] x86/cpu: Don't clear X86_FEATURE_LAHF_LM flag in init_amd_k8() on AMD when running in a virtual machine) Borislav Petkov
2025-04-22 19:48                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-04-23  7:20                   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-04-23 14:10                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-04-23 18:43                       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-04-24 19:18                         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-04-24 20:31                           ` Borislav Petkov
2025-04-26  0:08                             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-04-26 11:26                               ` Borislav Petkov
2025-05-06  1:04                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-03-31 14:37 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 5.10 3/6] perf: arm_pmu: Don't disable counter in armpmu_add() Sasha Levin
2025-03-31 14:37 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 5.10 4/6] arm64: cputype: Add QCOM_CPU_PART_KRYO_3XX_GOLD Sasha Levin
2025-04-18 16:55   ` Pavel Machek
2025-04-18 19:27     ` Doug Anderson
2025-03-31 14:37 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 5.10 5/6] xen/mcelog: Add __nonstring annotations for unterminated strings Sasha Levin
2025-03-31 14:37 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 5.10 6/6] x86/mm/ident_map: Fix theoretical virtual address overflow to zero Sasha Levin
2025-04-18 16:52 ` [PATCH AUTOSEL 5.10 1/6] pm: cpupower: bench: Prevent NULL dereference on malloc failure Pavel Machek

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