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From: Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org>
To: Miaoqing Pan <quic_miaoqing@quicinc.com>
Cc: Baochen Qiang <quic_bqiang@quicinc.com>,
	Johan Hovold <johan+linaro@kernel.org>,
	Jeff Johnson <jjohnson@kernel.org>,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, ath11k@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] wifi: ath11k: fix dest ring-buffer corruption
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 09:06:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aD_wgACEfm1_1GNz@hovoldconsulting.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7025db40-dda0-4cbb-80bd-09bd590584da@quicinc.com>

On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 01:32:08PM +0800, Miaoqing Pan wrote:
> On 6/4/2025 10:34 AM, Miaoqing Pan wrote:
> > On 6/3/2025 7:51 PM, Johan Hovold wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 06:52:37PM +0800, Baochen Qiang wrote:
> >>> On 6/2/2025 4:03 PM, Johan Hovold wrote:
> >>
> >>>> No, the barrier is needed between reading the head pointer and 
> >>>> accessing
> >>>> descriptor fields, that's what matters.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can still end up with reading stale descriptor data even when
> >>>> ath11k_hal_srng_dst_get_next_entry() returns non-NULL due to 
> >>>> speculation
> >>>> (that's what happens on the X13s).
> >>>
> >>> The fact is that a dma_rmb() does not even prevent speculation, no 
> >>> matter where it is
> >>> placed, right?
> >>
> >> It prevents the speculated load from being used.
> >>
> >>> If so the whole point of dma_rmb() is to prevent from compiler 
> >>> reordering
> >>> or CPU reordering, but is it really possible?
> >>>
> >>> The sequence is
> >>>
> >>>     1# reading HP
> >>>         srng->u.dst_ring.cached_hp = READ_ONCE(*srng- 
> >>> >u.dst_ring.hp_addr);
> >>>
> >>>     2# validate HP
> >>>         if (srng->u.dst_ring.tp == srng->u.dst_ring.cached_hp)
> >>>             return NULL;
> >>>
> >>>     3# get desc
> >>>         desc = srng->ring_base_vaddr + srng->u.dst_ring.tp;
> >>>
> >>>     4# accessing desc
> >>>         ath11k_hal_desc_reo_parse_err(... desc, ...)
> >>>
> >>> Clearly each step depends on the results of previous steps. In this 
> >>> case the compiler/CPU
> >>> is expected to be smart enough to not do any reordering, isn't it?
> >>
> >> Steps 3 and 4 can be done speculatively before the load in step 1 is
> >> complete as long as the result is discarded if it turns out not to be
> >> needed.

> > If the condition in step 2 is true and step 3 speculatively loads 
> > descriptor from TP before step 1, could this cause issues?
> 
> Sorry for typo, if the condition in step 2 is false and step 3 
> speculatively loads descriptor from TP before step 1, could this cause 
> issues?

Almost correct; the descriptor can be loaded (from TP) before the head
pointer is loaded and thus before the condition in step 2 has been
evaluated. And if the condition in step 2 later turns out to be false,
step 4 may use stale data from before the head pointer was updated.

Johan

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-04  7:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20250526114803.2122-1-johan+linaro@kernel.org>
2025-05-26 11:48 ` [PATCH 1/3] wifi: ath11k: fix dest ring-buffer corruption Johan Hovold
2025-05-29  7:03   ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-02  8:03     ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-03 10:52       ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-03 11:51         ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-04  2:16           ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-04  6:59             ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-05  8:16               ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-04  2:34           ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04  5:32             ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04  7:06               ` Johan Hovold [this message]
2025-06-04  7:57                 ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04  8:07                   ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-04  8:18                     ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-04 16:24             ` Jeff Johnson
2025-06-05  4:01               ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-05 10:17                 ` Johan Hovold
2025-06-05 10:54                   ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-06  0:52                     ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-06  2:02                       ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-06  7:43                         ` Miaoqing Pan
2025-06-25  2:06   ` Baochen Qiang
2025-06-25  9:34     ` Johan Hovold

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