From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from jabberwock.ucw.cz (jabberwock.ucw.cz [46.255.230.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0DDA1F2380; Sun, 27 Jul 2025 09:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=46.255.230.98 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1753607302; cv=none; b=FvreDSO1eP/tgXA2dMoThcuyMLZCMVhX5oxd1vvU07YJgqVPa2InPENjriqDAG1UyjxK+fj/ANT4RHktoBNTc3F+33F9fKD89vzsajsbvM42f6Plp2wlWTWSZkHAocRZZPBAtih/SyfywMJarpotYCYNqLRHXLX4v55UGdJuJFs= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1753607302; c=relaxed/simple; bh=K9PlRa+9ZaJmgDkDOtR4k2UtVpS/I9VeGUFo/MGRstE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=dzdxCRk8ut7VPi1bC+b86Bu21ZgckSY5i6901cNC+YuC3QxBzueUUaglBDqkWAoZa4goxy/Mkob6R5j78saWxoT2bGMEPwHxfLgryZreHnepCJEeCUyoRYOJ+3TXd2BS615yXrmQ4TDZnyIsoau5hEexAC76l+zKfMVFxMgERcc= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ucw.cz; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ucw.cz; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ucw.cz header.i=@ucw.cz header.b=TPOpbOeS; arc=none smtp.client-ip=46.255.230.98 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ucw.cz Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ucw.cz Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ucw.cz header.i=@ucw.cz header.b="TPOpbOeS" Received: by jabberwock.ucw.cz (Postfix, from userid 1017) id 9AD341C00BE; Sun, 27 Jul 2025 11:08:16 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ucw.cz; s=gen1; t=1753607296; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=pwfznIqT1WHSu85SCkFMT1obzC6Ufc9ybSMALetFPLk=; b=TPOpbOeSixGaROaEgCBlHnvWLPJXjq86toXl3HsLe/Bgc9cQn3MF5OJ8r/xGSZGm9odNus /Dlx5N4vdxG/E6u9H/xK/naBlq7cye1Hohy2SaueVpU8VgJ/G09mi//eLfBNq6kFt6zJDs tWd/VyL0LOH8k39MOnf0zQnR0q6ZOcY= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 11:08:16 +0200 From: Pavel Machek To: Shuah Cc: sashal@kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org, kernel list , conduct@kernel.org, ebiederm@xmission.com Subject: Re: Sasha Levin is halucinating, non human entity, has no ethics and no memory Message-ID: References: <46f581c6-bb61-4163-91a5-27b90838dca8@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: stable@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xVgcL36Ud9roh48b" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46f581c6-bb61-4163-91a5-27b90838dca8@kernel.org> --xVgcL36Ud9roh48b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! On Wed 2025-07-09 15:14:38, Shuah wrote: > On 7/8/25 14:39, Pavel Machek wrote: > > Hi! > >=20 > > So... I'm afraid subject is pretty accurate. I assume there's actual > > human being called "Sasha Levin" somewhere, but I interact with him > > via email, and while some interactions may be by human, some are > > written by LLM but not clearly marked as such. > >=20 > > And that's not okay -- because LLMs lie, have no ethics, and no > > memory, so there's no point arguing with them. Its just wasting > > everyone's time. People are not very thrilled by 'Markus Elfring' on > > the lists, as he seems to ignore feedback, but at least that's actual > > human, not a damn LLM that interacts as human but then ignores > > everything. > >=20 >=20 > You aren't talking to an LLM - My understanding is that Sasha is sending > these patches (generated with LLM assist) and discussing them on mailing > lists. At this point, I'd like to know (a) what steps (if any) were taken to prevent LLM hallucinations from reaching the lists, and (b) what steps (if any) were taken to make sure patches Signed-off by developer were actually reviewed by said developer, and not applied simply due to said hallucinations. Confusion caused LLM hallucinations can be seen for example in thread "[PATCH AUTOSEL 6.15 6/8] PM: Restrict swap use to later in the suspend sequence", it includes as great stuff as fake http links. I have seen solution proposed for (a), but have not seen any solution proposed for (b) and that's actually more serious problem. One solution would be to use separate email address "Autosel bot <>" for both From and Signed-off, so there's no confusion between content generated by developer and content generated by LLM. Best regards, Pavel --=20 I don't work for Nazis and criminals, and neither should you. 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