From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Khushit Shah <khushit.shah@nutanix.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] KVM: x86: Add x2APIC "features" to control EOI broadcast suppression
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2025 07:42:33 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aS8I6T3WtM1pvPNl@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <118998075677b696104dcbbcda8d51ab7f1ffdfd.camel@infradead.org>
On Tue, Dec 02, 2025, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Tue, 2025-12-02 at 12:58 +0000, Khushit Shah wrote:
> > Thanks for the review!
> >
> > > On 2 Dec 2025, at 2:43 PM, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Firstly, excellent work debugging and diagnosing that!
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2025-11-25 at 18:05 +0000, Khushit Shah wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- a/Documentation/virt/kvm/api.rst
> > > > +++ b/Documentation/virt/kvm/api.rst
> > > > @@ -7800,8 +7800,10 @@ Will return -EBUSY if a VCPU has already been created.
> > > >
> > > > Valid feature flags in args[0] are::
> > > >
> > > > - #define KVM_X2APIC_API_USE_32BIT_IDS (1ULL << 0)
> > > > - #define KVM_X2APIC_API_DISABLE_BROADCAST_QUIRK (1ULL << 1)
> > > > + #define KVM_X2APIC_API_USE_32BIT_IDS (1ULL << 0)
> > > > + #define KVM_X2APIC_API_DISABLE_BROADCAST_QUIRK (1ULL << 1)
> > > > + #define KVM_X2APIC_API_DISABLE_IGNORE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST_QUIRK (1ULL << 2)
> > > > + #define KVM_X2APIC_API_DISABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST (1ULL << 3)
> > > >
> > >
> > > I kind of hate these names. This part right here is what we leave
> > > behind for future generations, to understand the weird behaviour of
> > > KVM. To have "IGNORE" "SUPPRESS" "QUIRK" all in the same flag, quite
> > > apart from the length of the token, makes my brain hurt.
...
> > > Could we perhaps call them 'ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST' and
> > > 'DISABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST', with a note saying that modern VMMs
> > > should always explicitly enable one or the other, because for
> > > historical reasons KVM only *pretends* to support it by default but it
> > > doesn't actually work correctly?
I don't disagree on the names being painful, but ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST
vs. DISABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST won't work, and is even more confusing IMO.
The issue is that KVM "enables" SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST in that the feature is
exposed to the guest and can be enabled in local APICs, and that's one of the
behaviors/configurations I want to preserve so that guests don't observe a feature
change. Having an on/off switch doesn't work because KVM isn't fully disabling
the feature, nor is KVM fully enabling the feature. It's a weird, half-baked
state, hence the QUIRK.
More importantly, we can't use ENABLE bits because I want to preserve existing
behavior exactly as-is. I.e. userspace needs to opt-in to disabling
SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST and/or to disabling IGNORE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST_QUIRK.
> > Yes, I agree the original name is too wordy. How about renaming it to
> > KVM_X2APIC_API_ACTUALLY_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCASTS?
> > That makes the intended KVM behaviour clear.
> >
> > I'm also not very keen on ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST
> > it reads as if KVM is the one enabling the feature, which isn't the case.
Eh, there are myriad things that require enabling all both (or more) sides.
> > The guest decides whether to enable suppression; KVM should just
> > advertise the capability correctly and then respect whatever the guest
> > chooses.
>
>
> I think _ENABLE_ for enabling a feature for the guest to optionally use
> is reasonable enough; we'd generally say '_FORCE_' if we were going to
> turn it on unconditionally without the guest's knowledge.
>
> Not entirely sure why you're OK with ACTUALLY_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST
> when you aren't ok with ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST. In both cases
> you'd need to append _BUT_ONLY_IF_THE_GUEST_ASKS_FOR_IT if you want to
> be pedantic. :)
+1, though as above I don't think we can use ENABLE for this particular mess.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-02 15:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-25 18:05 [PATCH v3] KVM: x86: Add x2APIC "features" to control EOI broadcast suppression Khushit Shah
2025-11-25 21:16 ` Huang, Kai
2025-12-02 9:13 ` David Woodhouse
2025-12-02 12:58 ` Khushit Shah
2025-12-02 13:31 ` David Woodhouse
2025-12-02 15:42 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-12-02 15:51 ` David Woodhouse
2025-12-02 16:36 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-12-02 17:10 ` David Woodhouse
2025-12-02 22:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-12-02 22:35 ` David Woodhouse
2025-12-03 0:50 ` Huang, Kai
2025-12-03 1:14 ` David Woodhouse
2025-12-03 12:25 ` David Woodhouse
2025-12-03 13:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-03 13:32 ` David Woodhouse
2025-12-03 13:36 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-03 13:55 ` David Woodhouse
2025-12-03 7:45 ` Khushit Shah
2025-12-02 16:04 ` David Woodhouse
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