From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>
Cc: "dwmw2@infradead.org" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Jon Kohler <jon@nutanix.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] KVM: x86: Add x2APIC "features" to control EOI broadcast suppression
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2026 06:57:46 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aXoj6szBMy6BSzYO@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <62f9bdb9f3c7f55db747a29c292fa632bb6ec749.camel@intel.com>
On Wed, Jan 28, 2026, Kai Huang wrote:
> On Tue, 2026-01-27 at 19:48 -0800, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > On Wed, 2026-01-28 at 02:22 +0000, Huang, Kai wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ah, so userspace which checks all the kernel's capabilities *first*
> > > > will not see KVM_X2APIC_ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST advertised,
> > > > because it needs to enable KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP first?
> > > >
> > > > I guess that's tolerable¹ but the documentation could make it clearer,
> > > > perhaps? I can see VMMs silently failing to detect the feature because
> > > > they just don't set split-irqchip before checking for it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ¹ although I still kind of hate it and would have preferred to have the
> > > > I/O APIC patch; userspace still has to intentionally *enable* that
> > > > combination. But OK, I've reluctantly conceded that.
> > >
> > > To make it even more robust, perhaps we can grab kvm->lock mutex in
> > > kvm_vm_ioctl_enable_cap() for KVM_CAP_X2APIC_API, so that it won't race with
> > > KVM_CREATE_IRQCHIP (which already grabs kvm->lock) and
> > > KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP?
> > >
> > > Even more, we can add additional check in KVM_CREATE_IRQCHIP to return -
> > > EINVAL when it sees kvm->arch.suppress_eoi_broadcast_mode is
> > > KVM_X2APIC_ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST?
> >
> > If we do that, then the query for KVM_CAP_X2APIC_API could advertise
> > the KVM_X2APIC_ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST for a freshly created KVM,
> > even before userspace has enabled *either* KVM_CREATE_IRQCHIP nor
> > KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP?
>
> No IIUC it doesn't change that?
>
> The change I mentioned above is only related to "enable" part, but not
> "query" part.
>
> The "query" is done via kvm_vm_ioctl_check_extension(KVM_CAP_X2APIC_API),
> and in this patch, it does:
>
> @@ -4931,6 +4933,8 @@ int kvm_vm_ioctl_check_extension(struct kvm *kvm, long
> ext)
> break;
> case KVM_CAP_X2APIC_API:
> r = KVM_X2APIC_API_VALID_FLAGS;
> + if (kvm && !irqchip_split(kvm))
> + r &= ~KVM_X2APIC_ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST;
>
> IIRC if this is called before KVM_CREATE_IRQCHIP and KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP,
> then !irqchip_split() will be true, so it will NOT advertise
> KVM_X2APIC_ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST.
>
> If it is called after KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP, then it will advertise
> KVM_X2APIC_ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST.
Yep. And when called at system-scope, i.e. with @kvm=NULL, userspace will see
the maximal support with KVM_X2APIC_ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST.
> Btw, it doesn't grab kvm->lock either, so theoretically it could race with
> KVM_CREATE_IRQCHIP and kvm_vm_ioctl_enable_cap(KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP) too.
That's totally fine.
> > That would be slightly better than the existing proposed awfulness
> > where the kernel doesn't *admit* to having the _ENABLE_ capability
> > until userspace first enables the KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP.
>
> We could also make kvm_vm_ioctl_check_extension(KVM_CAP_X2APIC_API) to
> _always_ advertise KVM_X2APIC_ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST if that's
> better.
No, because then we'd need new uAPI if we add support for ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST
with an in-kernel I/O APIC.
> I suppose what we need is to document such behaviour -- that albeit
> KVM_X2APIC_ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST is advertise as supposed, but it
> cannot be enabled together with KVM_CREATE_IRQCHIP -- one will fail
> depending on which is called first.
No, we don't need to explicitly document this, because it's super duper basic
multi-threaded programming. KVM only needs to documented that
KVM_X2APIC_ENABLE_SUPPRESS_EOI_BROADCAST requires a VM with KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP.
> As a bonus, it can get rid of "calling irqchip_split() w/o holding kvm-
> >lock" awfulness too.
No, it's not awfulness. It's userspace's responsibility to not be stupid. KVM
taking kvm->lock changes *nothing*. All holding kvm->lock does is serialize KVM
code, it doesn't prevent a race. I.e. it just changes whether tasks are racing
to acquire kvm->lock versus racing against irqchip_mode.
If userspace invokes KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP and KVM_ENABLE_CAP concurrently on two
separate tasks, then KVM_ENABLE_CAP will fail ~50% of the time regardless of
whether or not KVM takes kvm->lock.
CPU0 CPU1
1. Locked Failure
----------------------------------------------------
lock(kvm->lock)
KVM_ENABLE_CAP = EINVAL
unlock(kvm->lock)
lock(kvm->lock)
KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP = 0
unlock(kvm->lock)
1. Locked Success
----------------------------------------------------
lock(kvm->lock)
KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP = 0
unlock(kvm->lock)
lock(kvm->lock)
KVM_ENABLE_CAP = 0
unlock(kvm->lock)
3. Lockless Failure
----------------------------------------------------
KVM_ENABLE_CAP = EINVAL
KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP = 0
4. Lockless Success
----------------------------------------------------
CPU0 CPU1
KVM_CAP_SPLIT_IRQCHIP = 0
KVM_ENABLE_CAP = 0
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-28 14:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-23 12:56 [PATCH v6] KVM: x86: Add x2APIC "features" to control EOI broadcast suppression Khushit Shah
2026-01-27 2:21 ` Khushit Shah
2026-01-27 2:41 ` Khushit Shah
2026-01-27 21:09 ` David Woodhouse
2026-01-27 21:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-27 22:36 ` David Woodhouse
2026-01-28 2:22 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 3:48 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] ` <SA2PR02MB756478359EE9185285ACE6158891A@SA2PR02MB7564.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
2026-01-28 5:17 ` Khushit Shah
2026-01-28 5:32 ` David Woodhouse
2026-01-28 6:40 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 15:04 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-28 6:15 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 14:57 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-01-28 21:10 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 14:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04 0:10 ` Sean Christopherson
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