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From: Baolu Lu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
To: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Vasant Hegde <vasant.hegde@amd.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, "Lai, Yi1" <yi1.lai@intel.com>,
	"iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	"security@kernel.org" <security@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"stable@vger.kernel.org" <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/1] iommu/sva: Invalidate KVA range on kernel TLB flush
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 13:58:55 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c534dd05-c1b3-4ed3-bcde-83849d779f32@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BN9PR11MB52760702D919B524849F08F28C34A@BN9PR11MB5276.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On 8/15/25 17:46, Tian, Kevin wrote:
>> From: Baolu Lu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
>> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2025 5:17 PM
>>
>> On 8/8/2025 10:57 AM, Tian, Kevin wrote:
>>>> From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 8, 2025 3:52 AM
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 07, 2025 at 10:40:39PM +0800, Baolu Lu wrote:
>>>>> +static void kernel_pte_work_func(struct work_struct *work)
>>>>> +{
>>>>> +	struct page *page, *next;
>>>>> +
>>>>> +	iommu_sva_invalidate_kva_range(0, TLB_FLUSH_ALL);
>>>>> +
>>>>> +	guard(spinlock)(&kernel_pte_work.lock);
>>>>> +	list_for_each_entry_safe(page, next, &kernel_pte_work.list, lru) {
>>>>> +		list_del_init(&page->lru);
>>>>
>>>> Please don't add new usages of lru, we are trying to get rid of this. :(
>>>>
>>>> I think the memory should be struct ptdesc, use that..
>>>>
>>>
>>> btw with this change we should also defer free of the pmd page:
>>>
>>> pud_free_pmd_page()
>>> 	...
>>> 	for (i = 0; i < PTRS_PER_PMD; i++) {
>>> 		if (!pmd_none(pmd_sv[i])) {
>>> 			pte = (pte_t *)pmd_page_vaddr(pmd_sv[i]);
>>> 			pte_free_kernel(&init_mm, pte);
>>> 		}
>>> 	}
>>>
>>> 	free_page((unsigned long)pmd_sv);
>>>
>>> Otherwise the risk still exists if the pmd page is repurposed before the
>>> pte work is scheduled.
>>
>> You're right that freeing high-level page table pages also requires an
>> IOTLB flush before the pages are freed. But I question the practical
>> risk of the race given the extremely small time window. If this is a
> 
> It's already extremely difficult to conduct a real attack even w/o this
> fix. I'm not sure the criteria how small we consider acceptable in this
> specific case. but leaving an incomplete fix in code doesn't sound clean...
> 
>> real concern, a potential mitigation would be to clear the U/S bits in
>> all page table entries for kernel address space? But I am not confident
>> in making that change at this time as I am unsure of the side effects it
>> might cause.
> 
> I think there was already consensus that clearing U/S bits in all entries
> doesn't prevent the IOMMU caching them and setting A/D bits on
> the freed pagetable.
> 
>>
>>>
>>> another observation - pte_free_kernel is not used in remove_pagetable ()
>>> and __change_page_attr(). Is it straightforward to put it in those paths
>>> or do we need duplicate some deferring logic there?
>>
>> The remove_pagetable() function is called in the path where memory is
>> hot-removed from the system, right? If so, there should be no issue, as
>> the threat model here is a page table page being freed and repurposed
>> while it's still cached in the IOTLB. In the hot-remove case, the memory
>> is removed and will not be reused, so that's fine as far as I can see.
> 
> what about the page is hot-added back while the stale entry pointing to
> it is still valid in the IOMMU, theoretically? 😊
> 
>>
>> The same to __change_page_attr(), which only changes the attributes of a
>> page table entry while the underlying page remains in use.
>>
> 
> it may lead to cpa_collapse_large_pages() if changing attribute leads to
> all adjacent 4k pages in 2M range are with same attribute. Then page
> table might be freed:
> 
> cpa_collapse_large_pages():
>          list_for_each_entry_safe(ptdesc, tmp, &pgtables, pt_list) {
>                  list_del(&ptdesc->pt_list);
>                  __free_page(ptdesc_page(ptdesc));
>          }

All look fair enough to me. I will handle all the cases and make it
complete.

Thanks,
baolu

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-18  6:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-06  5:25 [PATCH v3 1/1] iommu/sva: Invalidate KVA range on kernel TLB flush Lu Baolu
2025-08-06 15:03 ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-06 15:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-06 16:04     ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-06 16:09       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-06 16:34         ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-06 16:42           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-07 14:40           ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-07 15:31             ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-08  5:15               ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-10  7:19                 ` Ethan Zhao
2025-08-11  9:15                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-08-11 12:55                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-15  9:23                       ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-11 13:55                     ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-11 14:56                       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-08-12  1:17                       ` Ethan Zhao
2025-08-15 14:35                         ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-11 12:57                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-13  3:17                   ` Ethan Zhao
2025-08-18  1:34                   ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-07 19:51             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-08  2:57               ` Tian, Kevin
2025-08-15  9:16                 ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-15  9:46                   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-08-18  5:58                     ` Baolu Lu [this message]
2025-08-15 14:31                   ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-18  6:08                     ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-18  6:21                 ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-21  7:05                   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-08-23  3:26                     ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-25 22:36                       ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-26  1:25                         ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-26  2:49                           ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-26 14:22                             ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-26 14:33                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-26 14:57                                 ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-27 10:58                               ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-27 23:31                                 ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-28  5:31                                   ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-28  7:08                                     ` Tian, Kevin
2025-08-28 18:56                                       ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-28 19:10                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-28 19:31                                           ` Dave Hansen
2025-08-28 19:39                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-08  5:08               ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-07  6:53   ` Baolu Lu
2025-08-14  4:48 ` Ethan Zhao
2025-08-15  7:48   ` Baolu Lu

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