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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
Cc: tpmdd-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/8] tpm: validate event log access before tpm_bios_log_setup
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 23:22:30 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161003202230.GA14624@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161003163516.GB6801-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 10:35:16AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 03:35:23PM +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> 
> > > > The scheme you suggested is also way off the mark for how fops works,
> > > > fops->close has no relation to the needed duration for 'data', the
> > > > duration is related to securityfs_remove.
> > > 
> > > Right, the above would not work because it's not linked to
> > > securityfs_remove by any means.
> > > 
>  
> > You have to provide something factors more concrete. Otherwise,
> > I'm inclined to accept the approach in Naynas patch. It's an
> > improvement.
> 
> I said I haven't checked the patch yet to see if the lifetime model
> for 'data' with securityfs is correct. Only that it matches the only
> other user of this feature..
> 
> I looked more carefully, and I still can't find the right sort of
> locking in securityfs_remove..
> 
> > > Are you trying to say that after securityfs_remove() there might be a
> > > "grace period" when user space could still see the files visible and
> > > open them?
> 
> Sort of, the typical race is broadly
> 
>     CPU0                           CPU1
> 
> fops->open()
>                                 securityfs_remove()
> 				kref_put(chip)
> 				kfree(chip)
> kref_get(data->chip.kref)

I see. So could this be reproduced by:

1. Open binary_measurements.
2. rmmod tpm_tis
3. Read contents of binary_measurements.

> This race should always be analyzed when working with user files.
> 
> We deal with this situation in the other user interface:
> - cdev uses 'chip->cdev.kobj.parent = &chip->dev.kobj;' and the cdev
>   core handles get/put of the chip at the proper time
> - sysfs uses kernfs_drain which guarentees nothing is running in any
>   callback before returning

Yeah, I get it. These securityfs files are nasty in a way compared to
sysfs attributes that they are not connected to the device hierachy.

Their life-cyce management will always be side-channel stuff, which is
not that nice to maintain.

Rather than finding a perfect solution in the code I think a better
angle would be find ways to test and reproduce possible races, which
you already started in your response.

Right now we basically don't have any good acceptance criteria to make
any changes to securityfs stuff. Yes, you can do the analysis (and
should) but human mind is weak sometimes :)

/Jarkko

> I suspect securityfs_remove is defective in this regard. Eg debugfs is
> built on the same libfs scheme as securityfs and it incorporates the
> mechanism around 'debugfs_use_file_start/etc' to provide sensible
> removal fencing.
> 
> I don't know if there is a simple fix, so mabye the best thing is to
> just leave it be with a comment saying it securityfs_remove probably
> races with fops->open(), and that should be fixed inside securityfs
> not tpm.
> 
> The file operations are also missing '.owner = THIS_MODULE' which is
> bad as well.
> 
> Jason

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Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-28  8:34 [PATCH v4 0/8] tpm: add the securityfs pseudo files support for TPM 2.0 firmware event log Nayna Jain
     [not found] ` <1475051682-23060-1-git-send-email-nayna-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-28  8:34   ` [PATCH v4 1/8] tpm: define a generic open() method for ascii & bios measurements Nayna Jain
2016-09-28  8:34   ` [PATCH v4 2/8] tpm: replace dynamically allocated bios_dir with dentry array Nayna Jain
     [not found]     ` <1475051682-23060-3-git-send-email-nayna-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30 18:27       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <20160930182703.GA9595-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30 18:30           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20160930183026.GC1867-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30 19:48               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                 ` <20160930194825.GB12710-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30 20:31                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20160930203147.GB5722-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-01 12:06                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-01 12:27       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-28  8:34   ` [PATCH v4 3/8] tpm: validate event log access before tpm_bios_log_setup Nayna Jain
     [not found]     ` <1475051682-23060-4-git-send-email-nayna-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30 18:57       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <20160930185742.GB9595-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30 19:11           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20160930191112.GA5722-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30 19:45               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                 ` <20160930194538.GA12710-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-01  2:42                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20161001024213.GA13028-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-01 11:35                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-01 12:01       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <20161001120125.GC8664-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-01 14:28           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-01 16:54           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20161001165436.GB13462-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-01 19:32               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                 ` <20161001193239.GA3862-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-01 23:19                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-02 21:25                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20161002212551.GB25872-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-03 12:20                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                         ` <20161003122013.GA9990-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-03 12:35                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                             ` <20161003123523.GC9990-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-03 16:35                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20161003163516.GB6801-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-03 20:22                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
     [not found]                                     ` <20161003202230.GA14624-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-03 21:11                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20161003211129.GA26880-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-04  5:26                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                                             ` <20161004052651.GB10572-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-04 17:12                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                 ` <20161004171231.GB17149-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-05  8:10                                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-06 20:11                                                   ` Nayna
     [not found]                                                     ` <57F6AFF1.4000103-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-06 20:17                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-10-06 19:58                                   ` Nayna
     [not found]                                     ` <57F6ACF7.6000408-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-06 20:12                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-10-06 19:56               ` Nayna
     [not found]                 ` <57F6AC7D.9070507-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-06 20:10                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20161006201047.GA12085-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-06 20:53                       ` Nayna
2016-10-13 18:51           ` Nayna
     [not found]             ` <57FFD79F.7080405-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-19  2:10               ` Nayna
2016-10-03 17:14       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20161003171419.GE6801-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-09  4:17           ` Nayna
     [not found]             ` <57F9C4C4.2070508-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-09 23:25               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20161009232544.GC24139-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-10  1:53                   ` Nayna
     [not found]                     ` <57FAF49D.7040009-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-10  3:21                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20161010032113.GA26363-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-10  4:13                           ` Nayna
     [not found]                             ` <57FB1551.9000806-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-11 16:51                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20161011165143.GA6881-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-11 19:11                                   ` Nayna
     [not found]                                     ` <57FD3949.9050302-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-11 20:15                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20161011201558.GB21656-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-12  5:16                                           ` Nayna
2016-10-13 18:53                                           ` Nayna
2016-09-28  8:34   ` [PATCH v4 4/8] tpm: redefine read_log() to handle ACPI/OF at runtime Nayna Jain
     [not found]     ` <1475051682-23060-5-git-send-email-nayna-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30 19:05       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <20160930190511.GC9595-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-06 20:38           ` Nayna
     [not found]             ` <57F6B647.1070206-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-09 11:29               ` Nayna
     [not found]                 ` <57FA2A0B.7060404-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-09 12:05                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                     ` <20161009120553.GA6224-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-10  3:24                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-09-28  8:34   ` [PATCH v4 5/8] tpm: replace of_find_node_by_name() with dev of_node property Nayna Jain
     [not found]     ` <1475051682-23060-6-git-send-email-nayna-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30 19:12       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-09-28  8:34   ` [PATCH v4 6/8] tpm: remove printk error messages Nayna Jain
     [not found]     ` <1475051682-23060-7-git-send-email-nayna-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-09  1:55       ` Nayna
     [not found]         ` <57F9A392.7050302-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-09 23:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20161009232208.GB24139-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-12 12:55               ` Nayna
2016-09-28  8:34   ` [PATCH v4 7/8] tpm: move event log init functions to tpm_eventlog_init.c Nayna Jain
2016-09-28  8:34   ` [PATCH v4 8/8] tpm: add securityfs support for TPM 2.0 firmware event log Nayna Jain
     [not found]     ` <1475051682-23060-9-git-send-email-nayna-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-30 19:24       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-01 11:51       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <20161001115154.GB8664-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-09  2:02           ` Nayna
     [not found]             ` <57F9A52C.7050405-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-09  9:14               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                 ` <20161009091409.GD31891-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-10 18:54                   ` Nayna
2016-09-28  9:43   ` [PATCH v4 0/8] tpm: add the securityfs pseudo files " Jarkko Sakkinen

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