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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: "Winkler, Tomas" <tomas.winkler@intel.com>,
	"tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tpm: don't destroy chip device prematurely
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 13:02:34 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161005100234.GA20851@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161004164738.GA17149@obsidianresearch.com>

On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 10:47:38AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 08:19:46AM +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> 
> > > Make the driver uncallable first. The worst race that can happen is that
> > > open("/dev/tpm0", ...) returns -EPIPE. I do not consider this fatal at
> > > all.
> > 
> > No responses for this reasonable proposal so I'll show what I mean:
> 
> How is this any better than what Thomas proposed? It seems much worse
> to me since now we have even more stuff in the wrong order.

It moves a logical block to the front instead of moving one thing
from one logical block to another place.

I'll repeat my question: what worse can happen than returning -EPIPE?  I
though the whole rw lock scheme was introduced just for this purpose.

Why there's even that branch in tpm-dev.c if it's so bad to let it
happen?

/Jarkko

> There are three purposes to the ordering as it stands today
>  1) To guarantee that tpm2_shutdown is the last command delivered to
>     the TPM. When it is issued all other ways to access the device
>     are hard fenced off.
>  2) To hard fence the tpm subsystem for the 'platform' driver. Once
>     tpm_del_char_device completes no callback into the driver
>     is possible *at all*. The driver can destroy everything
>     (iounmap, dereg irq, etc) and the driver module can be unloaded.
>  3) To prevent oopsing with the sysfs code. Recall this comment
> 
>         /* The sysfs routines rely on an implicit tpm_try_get_ops, device_del
>          * is called before ops is null'd and the sysfs core synchronizes this
>          * removal so that no callbacks are running or can run again
>          */
> 
>     device_del is what eliminates the sysfs access path, so
>     ordering device_del after ops = null is just unconditionally
>     wrong.
> 
> I still haven't heard an explanation why Thomas's other patches need
> this, or why trying to change this ordering makes any sense at
> all considering how the subsystem is constructed.
> 
> Further, if tpm_crb now needs a registered device, how on earth do all
> the chip ops we call work *before* registration? Or is that another
> bug?
> 
> Why can't tpm_crb return to the pre-registration operating state
> in the driver remove function before calling unregister?
> 
> None of this makes any sense to me.
> 
> This whole thing was very carefully constructed to work *correctly*
> during unregister. Many other subsystems have races and bugs during
> remove (eg see the securityfs discussion). TPM has a hard requirement
> to support safe unregister due to the vtpm stuff, so we don't get to
> screw it up just to support one driver.
> 
> Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-10-05 10:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-02  7:39 [PATCH] tpm: don't destroy chip device prematurely Tomas Winkler
     [not found] ` <1475393971-12715-1-git-send-email-tomas.winkler-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-02 10:17   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]     ` <20161002101755.GA25844-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-02 10:24       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <20161002102455.GA27464-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-02 21:21           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20161002212126.GA25872-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-03  7:05               ` Winkler, Tomas
     [not found]                 ` <5B8DA87D05A7694D9FA63FD143655C1B542F466B-Jy8z56yoSI8MvF1YICWikbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-03  7:38                   ` Winkler, Tomas
     [not found]                     ` <5B8DA87D05A7694D9FA63FD143655C1B542F46C1-Jy8z56yoSI8MvF1YICWikbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-03 12:42                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-03 16:03                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                           ` <20161003160308.GA6801-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-03 17:30                             ` Winkler, Tomas
2016-10-03 12:48                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                   ` <20161003124836.GE9990-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-04  5:19                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-04 16:47                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-10-04 21:55                         ` Winkler, Tomas
2016-10-04 23:10                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <20161004231057.GA20062-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-05  7:48                               ` Winkler, Tomas
     [not found]                                 ` <5B8DA87D05A7694D9FA63FD143655C1B542F5084-Jy8z56yoSI8MvF1YICWikbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-05 15:15                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-05 16:37                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-10-05 17:11                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-10-05 20:09                                   ` Winkler, Tomas
2016-10-05 21:16                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-10-06  0:43                                       ` Winkler, Tomas
     [not found]                                         ` <5B8DA87D05A7694D9FA63FD143655C1B542F561B-Jy8z56yoSI8MvF1YICWikbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-06  2:07                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20161006020748.GA17479-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-07 14:24                                               ` Winkler, Tomas
2016-10-07 19:17                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                   ` <20161007191724.GA28795-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-07 20:10                                                     ` Winkler, Tomas
     [not found]                                                 ` <5B8DA87D05A7694D9FA63FD143655C1B542F625A-Jy8z56yoSI8MvF1YICWikbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-08 10:47                                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-05 10:02                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
     [not found]                           ` <20161005100234.GA20851-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-05 16:27                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-10-06 11:23                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-06 16:22                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                   ` <20161006162245.GF1224-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-06 16:46                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-05 10:09                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2016-10-03 16:00                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-10-03 17:16                   ` Winkler, Tomas
     [not found]                     ` <5B8DA87D05A7694D9FA63FD143655C1B542F474C-Jy8z56yoSI8MvF1YICWikbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-03 17:30                       ` Jason Gunthorpe

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