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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-security-module-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	tpmdd-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	open list <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:24:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170104192423.GA12929@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1483556271.2561.50.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Jan 04, 2017 at 10:57:51AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:

> > You are doing all this work to get the user space side in shape, I'd
> > like to see matching kernel support. To me that means out-of-the-box
> > a user can just use your plugins, the plugins will access /dev/tmps
> > and everything will work fine for RSA key storage.
> 
> Actually, not necessarily; you're not considering the setup issue:
> right at the moment users get delivered TPMs mostly in the cleared

I have no problem with users being instructed to do 'sudo
tpm2-provision' or having that happen via GUI using the usual
privilege escalation techniques.

> state (thankfully they no longer have to clear via bios).  So the first
> thing a new user has to do is set all the authorizations and create an
> SRK equivalent primary object at 0x81000001.  I think in the interests
> of best practice we want to make that as easy as possible; saying they
> have to do this as root and use a different device is problematic.

The device names should never be exposed to the user. The user should
specify a chip number (default to 0) and the tools should select the
correct available device to do what the user is asking.

First try /dev/tpms and elevate filter, then try /dev/tpmX, then fail.

> You can say they don't have to use a different device because the
> filter can be lifted for root, but then how do I lock down root apps
> for this untrusted root setup secure boot has going on?

Presumably the same way you lock down /dev/tpm0 today?

selinux I guess?

> I suppose we could use TPMA_PERMANENT for this. The first three bits
> indicate whether the authorizations are set, so if they're all clear,
> we can assume an unowned TPM and lift the filter?  A sort of trust on
> first use model.

I feel tpm provisioning is something that should only be done by the
system owner, and that means root in unix parlance.

I don't want random end-users provisioning the TPM in my server, for
instance.

Jason

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Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-02 13:22 [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found] ` <20170102132213.22880-1-jarkko.sakkinen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-02 13:22   ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] tpm: migrate struct tpm_buf to struct tpm_chip Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]     ` <20170102132213.22880-2-jarkko.sakkinen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-02 21:01       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03  0:57         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]           ` <20170103005737.t2qrc32xzdnvqy4b-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 19:13             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20170103191328.GB26706-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 12:29                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22   ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] tpm: validate TPM 2.0 commands Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]     ` <20170102132213.22880-3-jarkko.sakkinen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 18:04       ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]         ` <OF8D508BD2.EAB22BFD-ON0025809E.0062B40C-8525809E.006356C3-8eTO7WVQ4XIsd+ienQ86orlN3bxYEBpz@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 18:19           ` James Bottomley
     [not found]             ` <1483553976.2561.38.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 18:59               ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                 ` <OF3FD1DF4F.FB87C3F2-ON0025809E.00682E9B-8525809E.00684A8A-8eTO7WVQ4XIsd+ienQ86orlN3bxYEBpz@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 19:05                   ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                     ` <1483556735.2561.53.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 19:22                       ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                         ` <OFDFABBD23.E5E1F639-ON0025809E.006924C4-8525809E.006A7568-8eTO7WVQ4XIsd+ienQ86orlN3bxYEBpz@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-09 22:17                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                             ` <20170109221700.q7tq362rd6r23d5b-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-09 22:39                               ` Stefan Berger
2017-01-04 18:44           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-02 13:22   ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] tpm: export tpm2_flush_context_cmd Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22   ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] tpm: add the infrastructure for TPM space for TPM 2.0 Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]     ` <20170102132213.22880-5-jarkko.sakkinen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-02 21:09       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03  0:37         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]           ` <20170103003730.he32vl55kkta2q64-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 18:46             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20170103184627.GA26706-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 12:43                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:16             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20170103191634.GC26706-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 12:45                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 17:50       ` Stefan Berger
2017-01-09 22:11         ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-05 15:52   ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager Fuchs, Andreas
     [not found]     ` <9F48E1A823B03B4790B7E6E69430724DC7C149F6-pTbww/UJF9iZbMGAS439G2SU2VBt9E6NG9Ur7JDdleE@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-05 17:27       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20170105172726.GA11680-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-05 18:06           ` James Bottomley
     [not found]             ` <1483639595.2515.52.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-06  8:43               ` Andreas Fuchs
     [not found]                 ` <410e3045-58dc-5415-30c1-c86eb916b6c8-iXjGqz/onsDSyEMIgutvibNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-10 18:57                   ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-05 18:33         ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
     [not found]           ` <1483641223.2515.62.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-05 19:20             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 19:55               ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
     [not found]                 ` <1483646149.2515.83.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-05 22:21                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20170105222118.GC31047-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-05 22:58                       ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                         ` <1483657126.2515.107.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-05 23:50                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-06  0:36                             ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
     [not found]                               ` <1483663002.2515.134.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-06  8:59                                 ` Andreas Fuchs
     [not found]                                   ` <f5c8f4a2-d4ad-a2a0-9443-26589c58f9a7-iXjGqz/onsDSyEMIgutvibNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-06 19:10                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-06 19:02                               ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20170105192025.GB12587-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-10 19:03                 ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-09 22:39     ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-11 10:03       ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-02 16:36 ` James Bottomley
     [not found]   ` <1483374980.2458.13.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-02 19:33     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]       ` <20170102193320.trawto65nkjccbao-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-02 21:40         ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03  5:26           ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
     [not found]             ` <1483421218.19261.4.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 13:41               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                 ` <20170103134100.stgxkmzbckon4jfb-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 16:14                   ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                     ` <1483460095.2464.6.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 18:36                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                         ` <20170103183602.ar5typcvy2rx7cjs-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 19:14                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                             ` <20170103191456.vpl6ny7rbgu3yigx-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 19:34                               ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 21:54               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20170103215445.GD29656-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 12:58                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                     ` <20170104125810.3qkkfe72cnb76ige-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 16:55                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04  5:47             ` [tpmdd-devel] " Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-04 13:00               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]           ` <1483393248.2458.32.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 13:51             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]               ` <20170103135121.4kh3jld5gaq3ptj4-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 16:36                 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 18:40                   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 21:47                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20170103214702.GC29656-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 22:21                       ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-03 23:20                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:22                       ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-03 22:39                       ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04  0:17                         ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                           ` <20170104001732.GB32185-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04  0:29                             ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                               ` <1483489799.2464.79.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04  0:56                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:50                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                               ` <20170104125045.7lorpe55drnrqce5-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 14:53                                 ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                   ` <1483541583.2561.20.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 18:31                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                       ` <20170104183125.GC783-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 18:57                                         ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                           ` <1483556271.2561.50.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 19:24                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2017-01-10 18:55                             ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-04 12:48                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]                   ` <1483461370.2464.19.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 22:18                     ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-03 21:32     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:03       ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
     [not found] <kgoldman@us.ibm.com>
2017-01-04 16:12 ` Dr. Greg Wettstein
     [not found]   ` <201701041612.v04GCfPK031525-DHO+NtfOqB5PEDpkEIzg7wC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 18:37     ` Kenneth Goldman
2017-01-09 23:16   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-10 20:05     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]       ` <20170110200558.GA5102-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-11 10:00         ` Andreas Fuchs
     [not found]           ` <ee6c1e48-e21f-d05e-0939-473001224aba-iXjGqz/onsDSyEMIgutvibNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-11 15:59             ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-11 18:03             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20170111180328.GB22783-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-11 18:27                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-01-11 11:34         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]           ` <20170111113416.4h6ucm5y3hjjnfhv-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-11 15:39             ` James Bottomley
     [not found]               ` <1484149193.2509.12.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-11 17:56                 ` Jason Gunthorpe

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