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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
Cc: open list <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-security-module-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	tpmdd-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/7] tpm: expose spaces via a device link /dev/tpms<n>
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 13:52:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170224205200.GA26547@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1487968155.2190.14.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 03:29:15PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-02-24 at 11:11 -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 07:39:22PM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > 
> > > > I think therefore that tpmns<n> for TPM Namespace would be very
> > > > appropriate.
> > > 
> > > Makes sense. We can go with tpmns.
> > 
> > When we have talked about TPM namespaces in the past it has been
> > around the idea of restricting which TPMs the namespace has access 
> > too and changing the 'kernel tpm' for that namespace.
> 
> Well, you know, nothing in the TPM Space code prevents us from exposing
> the namespace so that it could be shared.  However, I think the
> namespace follows connect (device open) paradigm is pretty much the
> behaviour everyone (including the kernel) wants, mostly because TPM2
> has such a tiny amount of resources that you're always dealing with
> loadable keys meaning you don't really want to see anyone else's
> volatile state.

I'm not arguing with that use model, I am asking what do you want to
call the future feature that restricts which TPMs a process can view
if you want to use the word namespace for the resource manager?

This is something Stephen B has been exploring in conjunction with
vtpm. (eg restrict a container to only use a single vtpm and ban it
from the system tpm)

Jason

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-02-24 20:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-16 19:25 [PATCH v2 0/7] in-kernel resource manager Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] tpm: expose spaces via a device link /dev/tpms<n> Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-23  9:09   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]     ` <20170223090917.jq7thil5ggjmagil-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-24 13:02       ` James Bottomley
2017-02-24 17:39         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]           ` <20170224173922.qwuhfxeitbyct52o-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-24 18:11             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-24 20:29               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                 ` <1487968155.2190.14.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-24 20:52                   ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2017-02-24 23:01                     ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-02-24 23:23                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20170224232327.GA9126-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-24 23:43                           ` James Bottomley
2017-02-25  0:25                             ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                               ` <20170225002514.GA10605-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-25 17:04                                 ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                   ` <1488042289.2250.22.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-27 17:28                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-26 11:44         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-26 18:30           ` Dr. Greg Wettstein
     [not found]             ` <20170226183040.GA4272-DHO+NtfOqB5PEDpkEIzg7wC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 17:22               ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]           ` <20170226114440.5ksg3lx27ylekvbx-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-27 17:33             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-24  6:59   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Nayna
2017-02-24 12:53     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]       ` <1487940829.2249.15.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-27 11:46         ` Nayna
     [not found]           ` <58B41184.7020200-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-27 14:55             ` James Bottomley
     [not found] ` <20170216192529.25467-1-jarkko.sakkinen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 1/7] tpm: move length validation to tpm_transmit() Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 2/7] tpm: validate TPM 2.0 commands Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 3/7] tpm: export tpm2_flush_context_cmd Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 4/7] tpm: infrastructure for TPM spaces Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-21 18:24     ` [tpmdd-devel] " Nayna
2017-02-22 17:39       ` James Bottomley
2017-02-22 20:56         ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]         ` <1487785159.2376.27.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-22 20:09           ` Ken Goldman
2017-03-23 15:56             ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]       ` <58AC85F2.5000406-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-22 17:08         ` Ken Goldman
2017-02-22 21:08         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-24 12:53     ` James Bottomley
2017-02-24 17:02       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 5/7] tpm: split out tpm-dev.c into tpm-dev.c and tpm-common-dev.c Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]     ` <20170216192529.25467-6-jarkko.sakkinen-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-23  9:04       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-16 19:25   ` [PATCH v2 7/7] tpm2: add session handle context saving and restoring to the space code Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-02-23  9:04     ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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