[U-Boot-Users] [OT] character sets

[U-Boot-Users] [OT] character sets

[Craig Hughes]

On Oct 27, 2004, at 3:19 PM, Dan Poirot wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> Not sure how one would do this if one is Chinese and using
>> hotmail for email...  In the 21st century one might suggest
>> that if a base64-encoded message in a non-western character
>> set is unreadable, the problem is on the receiving side not
>> the sending side.
>>
>> C
>
>
> ...so perhaps you would prefer if Wolfgand responded to the list in 
> German
> calligraphy script in the form of a 10 megabyte TIFF file?
>
> Hard to use 'grep' on that...

Looks, if your mail-searching tool doesn't decode base64 before doing 
its search, then your mail-searching tool is broken.  If your mailing 
list archive tool won't map character sets for you so that "foo" 
matches the representation of "foo" in some oddball character set, then 
your mailing list archive tool is broken.  And if you want to search an 
un-indexed mail spool which hasn't been QP/base64/uuencode/MIME decoded 
using grep, then you should seriously look into the "formail" utility 
which comes as part of the procmail package.  You can then apply MIME 
transforms on each message in your un-indexed file before piping to 
grep.  Of course it'll be slower than an amputee sloth, but hey, if you 
want to search large archives quickly, then index them.

Look, ultimately, Wolfgang gets to make the rules for his list, and I'm 
not suggesting otherwise, but really, when the only reason you choose 
to not read someone's email message asking for help is because your 
email app is broken, it seems a little bit rude to suggest that the 
problem is on the other end.

C

PS Not trying to get everyone all upset, but in my previous life I did 
a lot of email processing stuff, and MIME/character set issues are 
really trivially solved these days with the vast amount of very 
high-quality decoding libraries available out there.

[U-Boot-Users] [OT] character sets

[Ross A. Osborn]

On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 06:18:03PM -0700, Craig Hughes wrote:
> On Oct 27, 2004, at 3:19 PM, Dan Poirot wrote:
> 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>
> >>Not sure how one would do this if one is Chinese and using
> >>hotmail for email...  In the 21st century one might suggest
> >>that if a base64-encoded message in a non-western character
> >>set is unreadable, the problem is on the receiving side not
> >>the sending side.
> >>
> >>C
> >
> >
> >...so perhaps you would prefer if Wolfgand responded to the list in 
> >German
> >calligraphy script in the form of a 10 megabyte TIFF file?
> >
> >Hard to use 'grep' on that...
> 
> Looks, if your mail-searching tool doesn't decode base64 before doing 
> its search, then your mail-searching tool is broken.  If your mailing 
> list archive tool won't map character sets for you so that "foo" 
> matches the representation of "foo" in some oddball character set, then 
> your mailing list archive tool is broken.  And if you want to search an 
> un-indexed mail spool which hasn't been QP/base64/uuencode/MIME decoded 
> using grep, then you should seriously look into the "formail" utility 
> which comes as part of the procmail package.  You can then apply MIME 
> transforms on each message in your un-indexed file before piping to 
> grep.  Of course it'll be slower than an amputee sloth, but hey, if you 
> want to search large archives quickly, then index them.
> 
> Look, ultimately, Wolfgang gets to make the rules for his list, and I'm 
> not suggesting otherwise, but really, when the only reason you choose 
> to not read someone's email message asking for help is because your 
> email app is broken, it seems a little bit rude to suggest that the 
> problem is on the other end.

I don't see it as being rude at all.  It seems like your argument is
that things should be made easier on the users by making things harder
on Wolfgang.  If the business of the list is conducted in English
I don't see why anybody needs to use base64 encoding.  If it makes
things easier for Wolfgang it seems like a very simple thing to ask from
the users.

Ross