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From: Haavard Skinnemoen <haavard.skinnemoen@atmel.com>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot-Users] Changing u-boot relocation scheme
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:23:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080725172334.13ee6301@siona.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1216996436.7972.14.camel@duo>

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:33:56 +0200
kenneth johansson <kenneth@southpole.se> wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 14:19 +0200, Haavard Skinnemoen wrote: 
> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:55:58 +0200
> > kenneth johansson <kenneth@southpole.se> wrote:
> > 
> > > > An ELF shared library has the dynamic relocations we need. So if we
> > > > build u-boot as an .so file, it should work in theory on most
> > > > architectures.
> > > 
> > > well the elf binary of u-boot obviously has everything we need
> > > regardless of what options it was compiled with. If we had a full linker
> > > at runtime we could just do a relink to whatever address we wanted. 
> > 
> > No we couldn't if we don't have any relocation information. Just as you
> > can't relink just any ELF binary to run at a different location after
> > it's been through a final link, no matter how "full" the linker is.
> 
> Take time and READ what people write. I wrote compiler option and you go
> on about some final link that removes the relocation information. My
> point was that it is irrelevant if you use pic shared whatever if you
> are going to use the elf relocation information anyway granted you have
> less work to do if the object was compiled as PIC. 

Oh, you're talking about some hypothetical u-boot binary that hasn't
been through the linker? How exactly do you generate it?

Besides, I talked about compiler options too (in the paragraph you cut
out). If you don't compile the code with -fPIC, most linkers won't be
able to make the result relocatable no matter what options you specify.

> > > It sounds a bit easier to just loop over a list of pointers and change
> > > the values than to implement a complete linker but maybe that is just
> > > me.
> > 
> > The question remains how should that list of pointers be generated? One
> > possible answer is to let the linker do it (as dynamic relocations).
> 
> Since I have not done a linker I probably miss some information on what
> makes the dynamic relocations so special ?? 

Yes, you probably do. Dynamic relocations are quite special as they are
intended for the _runtime_ system, not the linker. Therefore, they are
included in a loadable segment so that the program itself or the
dynamic loader can go through them and perform fixups at runtime.

Also, most platforms only allow a small handful of relocation types to
be used as dynamic relocations. This makes the job of the dynamic
loader much easier than that of the linker.

> And could you outline how the last step in generating the binary image
> would work. 

That's basically the question I've been trying to ask for some time. On
PowerPC, I assume -mrelocatable does the trick. On other platforms, I
just don't know.

> now it works as follows. One final static link with all the .a files and
> a specified start address for TEXT. result is a elf file with al symbols
> resolved adn it can be relinked to another address if one wants but we
> use objcopy to make a binary.  

Have you ever _tried_ to relink the final u-boot ELF file to another
address? How do you do that?

> here is a patch to generate dynamic relocations in the elf file. What is
> the next step? objcopy -j .rela.dyn -O binary  u-boot dyn_reloc_table ??

Might actually work, though we might need more linker options as well.
At least -Bsymbolic comes to mind. And I'm not sure if -Bstatic goes
well along with -shared...

In any case, there's no next step. The dynamic relocations are included
in a loadable segment, so they will end up in the .bin file after the
last objcopy step.

There will obviously be a fair amount of arch-specific code required to
make the actual relocation work though.

Haavard

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-25 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-23 17:39 [U-Boot-Users] Changing u-boot relocation scheme vb
2008-07-23 21:46 ` Jerry Van Baren
2008-07-23 22:46   ` vb
2008-07-24  3:18     ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-24  6:45       ` vb
2008-07-24  9:58         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-07-24 13:47           ` vb
2008-07-24 12:23         ` Jerry Van Baren
2008-07-24 12:47         ` Kenneth Johansson
2008-07-24 13:50           ` vb
2008-07-24 13:01         ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-24 13:17           ` Kenneth Johansson
2008-07-24 16:57             ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-07-24 17:12               ` Kenneth Johansson
2008-07-25  9:16                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-07-24 17:37               ` vb
2008-07-24 18:09                 ` Kenneth Johansson
2008-07-24 18:26                   ` vb
2008-07-24 18:32                     ` Joakim Tjernlund
2008-07-24 18:41                     ` Kenneth Johansson
2008-07-25  4:28                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-26  5:48                   ` Grant Likely
2008-07-26  7:53                     ` kenneth johansson
2008-07-26 12:48                       ` Grant Likely
2008-07-25  4:28               ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-25  9:10                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-07-25 11:55                   ` kenneth johansson
2008-07-25 12:19                     ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-07-25 13:30                       ` Joakim Tjernlund
2008-07-26  5:36                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-25 14:33                       ` kenneth johansson
2008-07-25 14:51                         ` vb
2008-07-25 15:21                           ` Jerry Van Baren
2008-07-25 18:50                             ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-07-25 19:03                               ` Jerry Van Baren
2008-07-26  5:36                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-26 16:09                                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-07-26  6:06                               ` Grant Likely
2008-07-26  6:11                                 ` Grant Likely
2008-07-26 12:49                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-26  5:36                           ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-26  5:51                             ` vb
2008-07-25 15:23                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen [this message]
2008-07-25 16:31                           ` kenneth johansson
2008-07-25 17:02                             ` Jerry Van Baren
2008-07-25 17:28                               ` kenneth johansson
2008-07-25 18:35                                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-07-25 19:57                                   ` J. William Campbell
2008-07-25 20:51                                   ` kenneth johansson
2008-07-26 15:54                                     ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-07-26 21:29                                       ` J. William Campbell
2008-07-26 21:58                                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-07-27  0:15                                           ` J. William Campbell
2008-07-26  5:36                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-26  7:41                                   ` kenneth johansson
2008-07-26 12:49                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-26  5:57                                 ` Grant Likely
2008-07-26 14:03                                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2008-07-26 14:29                                     ` Joakim Tjernlund
2008-07-25 16:48                           ` J. William Campbell
2008-07-25  4:28             ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-24 13:45         ` Jon Loeliger
2008-07-24 13:52           ` vb
2008-07-26  5:43         ` Grant Likely
2008-07-26  5:54           ` vb
2008-07-26  6:20             ` Grant Likely
2008-07-24  3:18 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-07-24  6:20 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-09-15 14:56 ` [U-Boot] " vb

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