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From: Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] Read-only env variables
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:56:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100510065632.0EDD7C67D4A@gemini.denx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil4TOC4Tmh0nZQXI8ahHT2LnwOmKLpsta_LFqrA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Joe Hershberger,

In message <AANLkTil4TOC4Tmh0nZQXI8ahHT2LnwOmKLpsta_LFqrA@mail.gmail.com> you wrote:
>
> > You might also go one step further and define variable types -
> > numeric, string, MAC addr, IP addr, ...
> >
> I'm guessing the reason for this being that the value can be validated on
> set instead of on use?  I can see some interactive usability benefit to
> this.  Also the Linux fw_setenv would be well served with this capability.

Right, that was my intention.

> This is interesting.  I had considered this my self as an option for items
> (such as ipaddr) which some times the user wants to change and save (static
> ip) and other times would not like to save (ip set by dhcp).  This would
> call for a dynamic configuration for the variables.  Having all of this in
> an environment variable seems like it would get cumbersome to use rather
> quickly.  I like the elegance of everything being in the env, but I'm not
> sure that it's practical, especially if each variable name is assigned a
> type and access control.

Well, we could go for a simple type scheme, something like

	d - decimal number
	i - IP address
	m - mac address
	s - string
	x - hex number
	...

plus similarly simple access control codes:

	d - no change except reset to default possible
	o - one-time setting, no changes afterward
	r - read-only
	(none) - unrestricted access

Then we could do something like:

setenv acl delay:d,address:a,ipaddr:i,ethaddr:mo,serial#:sr

The only disadvantage is that the meaning of the qualifiers is
position dependent, but I think this is acceptable for the purposes we
have in mind.

> As I thought more about the implementation, I like the idea of using
> bit-masks for each part of the access control that users can OR together in
> their board config headers.  Unfortunately, that doesn't play nicely with
> initializing default u-boot env variables due to the need to convert the
> result of some expression into a string literal in the preprocessor.  I'm
> not aware of any way to do that.  That also means that changing the
> configuration in the env on the fly is tedious because the user must
> remember the masks.  One way around this would be to make the default env
> creation routing a bit more fancy and have it generate the env variable at
> run-time based on the compiled in masks.

I think bitmasks is probably overkill - we probably don't need that
many options. The scheme above could be extended for more qualifiers
as well.

> Another thing that would make dealing with the lists in env variables easier
> would be to support slightly different behavior for setenv...  here's what I
> have in mind: if an env variable called "myList" contains
> "varName1;varName2" and you call "setenv myList varName3", then the result
> is myList contains "varName1;varName2;varName3".  If you then call "setenv

That would be incompatible to existing use. Not a good idea, IMHO.

> myList -varName2", then myList would contain "varName1;varName3".  The
> behavior would be available in general by having a list variable type (just
> like numeric or IP addr).  I'm not set on using semi-colons as list
> delimiters or the "-" to signify remove-from-list in setenv, but those seem
> natural.  I'm interested if there are any foreseeable issues with those
> selections or if there are more appropriate options.

What would be your use of such list vatiables?

And what's wrong with 

	setenv myList "varName1;varName2"
	setenv myList "$myList;varName3"

to do the same as above, using only the existing feature set?

OK, the "remove entry" function is not that easy here, but which usage
do you have in mind that needs that?  I never ran into that before.

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Please stop this.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-10  6:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-28  2:07 [U-Boot] Read-only env variables Joe Hershberger
2010-05-06 21:58 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-10  6:30   ` Joe Hershberger
2010-05-10  6:56     ` Wolfgang Denk [this message]
2010-05-10 19:16       ` Joe Hershberger
2010-05-10 20:43         ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-10 21:33           ` Joe Hershberger
2010-05-11 20:19             ` Craig Millen
2010-05-11 22:03               ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-11 22:52                 ` Joe Hershberger
2010-05-12  9:34                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-12 23:46                     ` Joe Hershberger
2010-06-22 21:18                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-06-22 21:49                         ` Joe Hershberger
2010-06-22 22:29                           ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-17 20:49                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 0/12] Add environment type checking and access control Joe Hershberger
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 01/12] tools/env: Use a board-specific default env Joe Hershberger
2012-08-23  3:17                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2012-08-23 15:45                                   ` Joe Hershberger
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 02/12] tools/env: Remove unneeded complexity Joe Hershberger
2012-08-23  3:30                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 03/12] tools/env: Don't call env_init() in fw_getenv() Joe Hershberger
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 04/12] tools/env: Reduce the impact on real-time processes Joe Hershberger
2012-08-23  3:30                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2012-08-23 16:26                                   ` Joe Hershberger
2012-08-23 20:31                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 05/12] tools/env: Serialize calls to fw_*env Joe Hershberger
2012-08-23  3:33                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2012-10-03  1:12                                   ` Joe Hershberger
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 06/12] env: Make the "silent" env var take effect immediately Joe Hershberger
2012-08-23  3:35                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 07/12] env: Update serial baudrate in env_relocate() Joe Hershberger
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 08/12] env: Check for NULL pointer in envmatch() Joe Hershberger
2012-08-17 23:51                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 09/12] env: Clarify the cases for env set Joe Hershberger
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 10/12] env: acl: Add environment variable access control list Joe Hershberger
2012-08-23  3:43                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2012-09-13 20:13                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-09-14  2:24                                   ` Joe Hershberger
2012-09-14 18:42                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-01 16:39                                       ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 0/18] Add environment call-back and flags capability Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 01/18] Make linux kernel string funcs available to tools Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 02/18] env: Refactor do_apply to a flag Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 03/18] env: Consolidate common code in hsearch_r() Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 04/18] env: Refactor apply into change_ok Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 05/18] env: Use getenv_yesno() more generally Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 06/18] env: Hide '.' variables in env print by default Joe Hershberger
2012-11-02 10:44                                           ` Luka Perkov
2012-11-02 22:23                                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 07/18] env: Add support for callbacks to environment vars Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 08/18] env: Add a command to view callbacks Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 09/18] env: Add a bootfile env handler Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 10/18] env: Add a baudrate " Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 11/18] env: Add a loadaddr " Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 12/18] env: Add a console " Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 13/18] env: Add a silent " Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 14/18] env: Add environment variable flags Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 15/18] tools/env: Add environment variable flags support Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 16/18] env: Add a command to display details about env flags Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 17/18] env: Add support for access control to .flags Joe Hershberger
2012-11-01 16:39                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 18/18] env: Handle write-once ethaddr and serial# generically Joe Hershberger
2012-11-02 22:40                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v3 0/18] Add environment call-back and flags capability Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-05  0:15                                           ` Joe Hershberger
2012-12-01 19:44                                           ` Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                         ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 0/20] " Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 01/20] Make linux kernel string funcs available to tools Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 02/20] env: Refactor do_apply to a flag Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 03/20] env: Consolidate common code in hsearch_r() Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 04/20] env: Refactor apply into change_ok Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 05/20] env: Use getenv_yesno() more generally Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 06/20] env: Hide '.' variables in env print by default Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 07/20] env: Add support for callbacks to environment vars Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  2:34                                             ` Graeme Russ
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 08/20] env: Add a command to view callbacks Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 09/20] env: Add a bootfile env handler Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 10/20] env: Add a baudrate " Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 11/20] env: Add a loadaddr " Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 12/20] env: Add a console " Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 13/20] env: Add a silent " Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 14/20] env: Add environment variable flags Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 15/20] tools/env: Add environment variable flags support Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 16/20] env: Add a command to display details about env flags Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 17/20] env: Add support for access control to .flags Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 18/20] env: Add setenv force support Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 19/20] env: Implement the env delete command Joe Hershberger
2012-12-05  1:52                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 20/20] env: Handle write-once ethaddr and serial# generically Joe Hershberger
2012-12-11 16:51                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v4 0/20] Add environment call-back and flags capability Tom Rini
2012-12-12  4:16                                           ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 " Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 01/20] Make linux kernel string funcs available to tools Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 02/20] env: Refactor do_apply to a flag Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 03/20] env: Consolidate common code in hsearch_r() Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 04/20] env: Refactor apply into change_ok Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 05/20] env: Use getenv_yesno() more generally Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 06/20] env: Hide '.' variables in env print by default Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 07/20] env: Add support for callbacks to environment vars Joe Hershberger
2013-01-11  8:06                                               ` Stefan Roese
2013-01-14 23:23                                                 ` Joe Hershberger
2013-01-15  6:51                                                   ` Stefan Roese
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 08/20] env: Add a command to view callbacks Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 09/20] env: Add a bootfile env handler Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 10/20] env: Add a baudrate " Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 11/20] env: Add a loadaddr " Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 12/20] env: Add a console " Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 13/20] env: Add a silent " Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 14/20] env: Add environment variable flags Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 15/20] tools/env: Add environment variable flags support Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 16/20] env: Add a command to display details about env flags Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 17/20] env: Add support for access control to .flags Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 18/20] env: Add setenv force support Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 19/20] env: Implement the env delete command Joe Hershberger
2012-12-12  4:16                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 20/20] env: Handle write-once ethaddr and serial# generically Joe Hershberger
2012-12-14 16:05                                             ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v5 0/20] Add environment call-back and flags capability Tom Rini
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 11/12] env: acl: Add support for access control to env ACL Joe Hershberger
2012-08-17 20:49                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 12/12] env: cosmetic: Consilidate the default env definition Joe Hershberger
2012-08-23  3:44                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2012-10-03 19:38                               ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 0/5] Cleanup fw_*env and a few common env Joe Hershberger
2012-10-03 19:38                                 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 1/5] tools/env: Use a board-specific default env Joe Hershberger
2012-10-03 19:38                                 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 2/5] tools/env: Remove unneeded complexity Joe Hershberger
2012-10-03 19:38                                 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 3/5] tools/env: Don't call env_init() in fw_getenv() Joe Hershberger
2012-10-03 19:38                                 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 4/5] tools/env: Serialize calls to fw_*env Joe Hershberger
2012-10-03 23:24                                   ` uboot at lukaperkov.net
2012-10-04 18:31                                     ` [U-Boot] [PATCH] tools: Add a README note about fw_printenv lock file Joe Hershberger
2012-10-03 19:38                                 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 5/5] env: Check for NULL pointer in envmatch() Joe Hershberger
2012-10-09 17:13                                 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH v2 0/5] Cleanup fw_*env and a few common env Tom Rini

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