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From: Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] libfdt: make fdt_increase_size() available to everyone
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:11:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100526161122.BA7C1EAC238@gemini.denx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BFD3A39.4090209@freescale.com>

Dear Timur Tabi,

In message <4BFD3A39.4090209@freescale.com> you wrote:
> 
> > Please re-read the IRC log. Kumar explicitly stated he was trying to
> > avoid making FIT images mandatory, at least for now.
> 
> And he proposed a board-specific function that would allow this to work, but
> you rejected it.  So I don't still know how to implement what you want.

Well, in a way that may be image-type dependent, but that is not
board-specific.

> > And I explicitly
> > wrote that it should be "the address of a IH_TYPE_FIRMWARE image
> > then".
> 
> So you're saying fdt_fw_addr should pointer to either a FIT image or the
> older image type?  What's the point in supporting the older type?  Isn't it
> deprecated?

No, not really. It works fine for the intended purpose. Actually I
still prefer it in a lot of cases because we have checksum protection
of the header information, while you can have a totally corrupted
DTB without really being able to detect it.

> But either way, the firmware needs to be wrapped inside an image object.  I
> think Kumar was implying that he didn't want to make *any* image type (FIT
> or legacy) mandatory.

And where would you then get type and size information from?

> I don't understand your position.  The method by which firmware is to be
> embedded in the device tree *is* specific to the kind of firmware in
> question, and therefore requires knowledge of the kind of firmware.  A QE
> firmware is not embedded in the device tree the same way an FPGA firmware
> is.  This is just a fact.

I also said that I see no problems with ading type specific hooks.

> You keep telling me that there's a counter argument to this statement, but I
> don't know what it is.  You just tell me you disagree.  In effect, you are
> the one saying that 2+2=5.

Really?

> >> In contrast, you want the fdt relocation code to be able to increase the
> >> size of the fdt without knowing any details about the firmware itself.
> > 
> > That's not correct. At least we know the address and the size.
> 
> Address and size is *not* details about the firmware itself.  When I say

No, but they are important properties, for example when it comes to
find out by how much the DT needs to be grown.

> "details about the firmware itself", I mean stuff like what kind of firmware
> it is, what chip it's for, what it's supposed to do, etc.

Maybe we can abstrct off most of this, and/or leave it to image type
specific handlers?

> Are you talking about the ih_name field in the image_header_t structure?  So
> for instance, if the ih_name field says "QE Firmware", we can assume assume
> that it's a QE firmware, and the generic code should have something like
> this in it:
> 
> #include "qe.h"

No. There would be no "qe.h" needed in that generic code.

> if (strcmp(image->ih_name, "QE Firmware") == 0) {
> 	/*
> 	 * Embed the firmware in the device tree using the binding
> 	 * definition in Documentation/powerpc/dts-bindings/fsl/cpm_qe
> 	 * /qe.txt
>          */
> }

No. More like

	if (strcmp(image->ih_name, "QE Firmware") == 0)
		handle_fdt_fw_qe(image);

or similar. Probably #ifdef'ed for machines that have enabled QE
support in their board config, or with a weak handle_fdt_fw_qe() that
gets filled in for QE aware boards only so the compiler optimizes away
that call everywhere else.

> Doesn't that seem really clunky to you?  That requires the generic code to
> have knowledge of every type of firmware.  Wouldn't it be simpler if we just
> followed Kumar's recommendation to have a board-specific __weak__ function
> that handled this code?

D*mn. Don't you get it. There is NOT BOARD-SPECIFIC CODE anywhere.

It is feature specific. Either you enable QE support or not, but then
the same code will be used for all boards enabling this feature.

> > I see no inherent problems with having a generic, common part for all
> > systems enabling this feature, plus eventually hooks for (additional)
> > customized processing of certain firmware image types.
> 
> So you agree with Kumar's idea of having a weak function that embeds the
> firmware into the device tree, but the firmware must always be wrapped in an
> image format?

Yes. Note that there is NOT any board-specific code.

> > Of course one can argue that making the decision on the type based on
> > the name entry is a stupid thing, and come up for example with
> > additional IH_TYPE entries; or even try to define subtypes. I think
> > I'll leave this as an exercise to you :-)
> 
> I'd rather not use subtypes, because I don't think we want anything like this:
> 
> 	if (is_qe_firmware()) {
> 		/* embed QE firmware */
> 	} else if (is_amd_fpga_firmware()) {
> 		/* embed AMD fpga firmware */
> 	} ...

In which way would that be worse compared to

	if (strcmp(image->ih_name, "QE Firmware") == 0)
		handle_fdt_fw_qe(image);
	else if (strcmp(image->ih_name, "AMD FPGA Firmware") == 0)
		handle_fdt_fw_amd(image);
	...
?

Actually it would be easier to read...


Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-26 16:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-10 21:26 [U-Boot] [PATCH 2/3] libfdt: make fdt_increase_size() available to everyone Timur Tabi
2010-05-10 21:30 ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-13 17:46 ` Kumar Gala
2010-05-16  2:11 ` [U-Boot] " Gerald Van Baren
2010-05-16  4:13   ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-17 11:24     ` Jerry Van Baren
2010-05-17 13:16     ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-17 14:16       ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-17 20:33         ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-18 14:10           ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-18 15:18             ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-18 15:32               ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-18 22:20                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-19  0:51                   ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-19  6:54                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-19 14:57                       ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-19 15:14                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-19 15:34                           ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-19 15:44                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-19 21:46                               ` Kumar Gala
2010-05-19 22:06                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-19 22:12                                   ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-20  8:28                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-20 11:44                                       ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-25 16:07                                       ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-25 17:50                                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-25 18:01                                           ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-25 19:15                                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-25 19:28                                               ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-25 22:11                                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-26 15:11                                                   ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-26 16:11                                                     ` Wolfgang Denk [this message]
2010-05-26 16:38                                                       ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-26 17:23                                                         ` Scott Wood
2010-05-26 17:56                                                           ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-26 18:06                                                             ` Scott Wood
2010-05-26 18:23                                                               ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-26 19:14                                                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-26 19:08                                                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-05-20 13:34                                   ` Kumar Gala
2010-05-20 12:58                                 ` Timur Tabi
2010-05-17 11:25 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 2/3] " Jerry Van Baren

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