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From: Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [PATCH 3/8] boottime: Add core boottime measurement support
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:03:32 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121121150332.GC28899@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121121134424.57C3B2003CF@gemini.denx.de>

> > Yes, I intend to extend this functionality into Device Tree.
> > That way it will be architecture and OS independent.
> > 
> > > And forcing something upon a mechanism that was designed for a
> > > completely different purpose, where you see right from the first
> > > glance that it does  not math easily?
> > 
> > Not entirely sure what you mean here. This mechanism works
> > perfectly with ATAGs.
> 
> Neither ATAGS not the device tree are intended nor designed for
> passing logfile information.  Yes, you can use them like that, and it
> will actually work.

ATAGs were exactly designed for this type of thing. To pass small
data structures though to the kernel. In our case, our trace-points
are held in a small data structure. They're not logs.
 
> You can also drive a nail in using a microscope as hammer.

Ah good idea. I have to try this. ;)

> > > The advantages should be obvious: we will need no extra kernel
> > > modification, we do not depend on ATAGS, and we are automatically
> > > architecture-independent.
> > 
> > Wouldn't this clog up the kernel's log buffer? I'm sure no
> > user wants to see reams of otherwise useless logging scrawled
> > throughout their bootlog. We'd also have a write a text parser
> > to obtain the information for processing. It would be easier
> > to either pass in a struct, as we do with the ATAG mechanism,
> > or though Device Tree as previously discussed.
> 
> I think these are pretty poor arguments.  There are standard methods
> (like log levels) to provide adequate filtering of which messages are
> passed on to a user.  An there exists a plethora of tools for
> automatic filtering and post-processing of syslog messages.  You will
> need to write _less_ code than with your homebrew implementation.

They're not poor augments if the data stored isn't log messages,
which these aren't. If anything I would say that ramming them in as
textual kernel messages, then parsing the log text using a userspace
tool was an abuse of the system. If we create them as data in the
bootloader, then pass them to the kernel as data, then process them
as data, _that_ would be the correct mechanism.

-- 
Lee Jones
Linaro ST-Ericsson Landing Team Lead
Linaro.org ? Open source software for ARM SoCs
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-21 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-20 14:33 [U-Boot] [PATCH 0/8] Adding boottime support Lee Jones
2012-11-20 14:33 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 1/8] u8500: Correct unnecessary mathematical roll-over Lee Jones
2012-11-20 18:14   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21 10:02     ` Lee Jones
2012-11-21 13:51       ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21 14:54         ` Lee Jones
2012-11-20 14:33 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 2/8] u8500: Add utimer support Lee Jones
2012-11-20 14:33 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 3/8] boottime: Add core boottime measurement support Lee Jones
2012-11-20 18:20   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21  9:50     ` Lee Jones
2012-11-21 13:44       ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21 15:03         ` Lee Jones [this message]
2012-11-21 16:14           ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21 17:26             ` Lee Jones
2012-11-21 19:04               ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-26  6:08   ` Simon Glass
2012-11-26  9:00     ` Lee Jones
2012-11-26 19:57       ` Simon Glass
2012-11-27  8:55         ` Lee Jones
2012-11-27 13:46           ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-27 14:28             ` Lee Jones
2012-11-20 14:33 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 4/8] boottime: Apply some key boottime tags into common code Lee Jones
2012-11-20 18:22   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21  9:36     ` Lee Jones
2012-11-21 13:40       ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21 15:07         ` Lee Jones
2012-11-20 14:33 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 5/8] arm: Add boottime support for the ARM architecture Lee Jones
2012-11-20 15:11   ` Otavio Salvador
2012-11-20 15:52     ` Lee Jones
2012-11-20 18:24   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21  9:17     ` Lee Jones
2012-11-21  9:30       ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21 10:13         ` Lee Jones
2012-11-21 13:58           ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21 14:39             ` Lee Jones
2012-11-21 16:05               ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21 17:48                 ` Lee Jones
2012-11-21 19:18                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-22 10:14                     ` Lee Jones
2012-11-22 13:04                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-22 16:08                         ` Lee Jones
2012-11-22 17:40                           ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-23 10:08                             ` Lee Jones
2012-11-20 14:33 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 6/8] arm: Add some boottime tags into prime booting locations Lee Jones
2012-11-20 14:33 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 7/8] href: Enable boottime functionality Lee Jones
2012-11-20 14:33 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 8/8] snowball: " Lee Jones
2012-11-20 18:08 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 0/8] Adding boottime support Wolfgang Denk
2012-11-21 10:03   ` Lee Jones

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