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From: Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [PATCH V2] Add Boundary Devices Nitrogen6X boards
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:15:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130311111530.B709220013A@gemini.denx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <513D18F3.2010802@boundarydevices.com>

Dear Eric,

In message <513D18F3.2010802@boundarydevices.com> you wrote:
> 
> I understand the point, but think the pain is manageable and
> mostly ours.

When I say it doesn't scale, I'm not only thinking about yourown
efforts, and your customers.

I also think about things like the increase of build and test time for
_everybody_ who performs tests on U-Boot - instead of one board, we
now have to build - how many? 6? - configurations.  If we allow this
now, others will copy this approach (and we cannot really reject it
then). I really would like to avoid setting such a precedent here.

> While we'd like to snap our fingers and have a "does everything
> right" boot loader, that will take a while ;)

I'm well aware of this.

> Well, at least the use of i.MX plugins to do the job. The general
> response was something along the lines of:
> 
> 	**if** we want to support multiple CPU variants in
> 	a single binary, then it should be done with SPL.

This may or mayu not make sense.  It certainly depends on the specific
requirements of the SoC / architecture in question.

> This patch set is the simplest implementation we can think
> of that still allows a single board file and directory to
> support multiple CPU options and memory configurations.

I agree that supporting multiple SoCs indeed adds complexity.
However, supporting different memory sizes has been supported by
U-Boot (and actually already by PPCBoot) since day one, so this is not
really considered rocket science.  Also, SPL is not exactly new
technology any more.

> This step has broken things up into parts so that we
> **can** express multiple memory configurations within
> a single board directory, and I hope it moves the ball
> forward a step or two.

It does.  But source base is one thing.  Havnig to deal with a large
number of configurations to build and test is another one, and here
you put additional burdon on a large number of prople.

> Our hope in getting this main-lined was that other upcoming
> Solo and Dual-Lite platforms could share some of the bits.

Understood and appreciated.  But I also see this ias a strong reason
to come up with a clean design, and not create bad examples which
others without doubt will interpret as persuasive precedent.

> I'm sorry if I sound frustrated.

You don't, and if you did I could very well understand how you feel.

I hope you can understand my position, too.

> This is feedback I'd hoped to get to the RFC version back in January,

Sorry I missed it then.

> and it will be some time before we're in a position to add SPL into the mix.
> 
> I'll wait for further feedback before determining if a V3 patch
> is warranted.

I would also apprciate if others could comment - Stefano? Albert? Tom?

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-11 11:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-10  0:04 [U-Boot] [PATCH V2] Add Boundary Devices Nitrogen6X boards Eric Nelson
2013-03-10  0:49 ` Troy Kisky
2013-03-10  8:02   ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-10 14:15   ` Eric Nelson
2013-03-10  7:59 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-10 15:09   ` Eric Nelson
2013-03-10 15:45     ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-10 16:25       ` Eric Nelson
2013-03-10 22:03         ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-10 23:36           ` Eric Nelson
2013-03-11 11:15             ` Wolfgang Denk [this message]
2013-03-11 12:04               ` Stefano Babic
2013-03-11 13:18                 ` Fabio Estevam
2013-03-11 13:44                   ` Stefano Babic
2013-03-11 13:54                     ` Fabio Estevam
2013-03-11 14:02                     ` Eric Nelson
2013-03-11 14:30                       ` Stefano Babic
2013-03-11 14:39                         ` Tom Rini
2013-03-11 13:37               ` Eric Nelson
2013-03-11 16:48                 ` Wolfgang Denk

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