From: Dennis Gilmore <dennis@ausil.us>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [PATCH] wandboard: add pxe support, set default boot command like highbank
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 11:22:22 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130806112222.2b84df43@adria.ausil.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130806113751.957DA380DF0@gemini.denx.de>
On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 13:37:51 +0200
Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de> wrote:
> Dear Rob Herring,
>
> In message
> <CAL_JsqJTg4CVfk0o9hLd4ZVksj+DNEsKLjcv6T7-6F-=BR+J+Q@mail.gmail.com>
> you wrote:
> >
> > > Why would you ever want to compile this into U-Boot at all? Then
> > > any changes you need to make mean compiling and installing a new
> > > U-Boot, which is something you normally don't want to do.
> >
> > You may want to have factory default and "user" settings. Building
> > in the factory settings would be one way to accomplish that.
>
> No. Handling these independently, outside of the compiled U-Boot image
> is as easy, and much more flexible.
How exactly should it be handled outside of the compiled u-boot image.
with my distro hat on, I honesty do not want to deal with u-boot at
all. The limit of my dealing with u-boot will be to run a script that
installs the u-boot binary onto disk for those systems that don't have
it in nand/nor/spi etc flash storage.
In my mind you are talking about some file I need to write to disk that
gets loaded at boot time. the problem with this is its not flexible nor
portable. I honestly think one of the worst thing hardware vendors ever
did was to ship hardware that doesn't have anywhere built into it to
load and run u-boot from.
My issue with this is, we produce a unified image, it could be an
installer image or a installed disk image. it has a unified kernel in
it and can run on any number of soc's but we also need to provide
tooling that will setup the u-boot image so that it can be loaded by
different boards. be it copying files into place or dding the binary
into some offset. it kills the portability. i can't pull a sdcard from
one board with one type of soc and plug it into another and have it
just boot.
> > > U-Boot is perfectly able to import such settings from text files
> > > (or text blobs stored somewhere, even attached to the U-Boot
> > > image, if you want), so just use the text files separately,
> > > instead of hard compiling them into the code.
> >
> > In my case, I don't want to compile the environment into u-boot. But
> > some people do as I copied my scripts from Tegra which has them
> > built-in. Since built-in is C and standalone is text file, sharing
> > is impossible. That is the main thing I'd like to see changed.
> > Whether we support merging builtin and standalone envs is secondary.
>
> Who says "impossible" here? When using a file system with write
> support, you can use "env export -t" to create a text representation
> and write it out to the file system (or store it in some reserved area
> on some storage device).
Exactly what i want to avoid. I really do want it compiled into the
binary. because then I only have to put one file into place. on those
systems needing it.
another solution for me would be a unified u-boot that runs on all
soc's and all boards. Everytime we have to do something different for a
board or soc family is a step away from having something truly
universal and portable.
The only way I could see having us write a file to disk with the
environment working is if all boards implement standard variable to
define the memory locations and that is compiled into the u-boot binary.
some variables that would need to be compiled in
fdt_addr
fdt_addr_r
kernel_addr_r
ramdisk_addr_r
pxefile_addr_r
scr_addr_r
uenv_addr_r
this should allow for for people to use boot.scr uEnv.txt or
pxe/extlinux
Dennis
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-08-06 16:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-07-25 21:13 [U-Boot] [PATCH] wandboard: add pxe support, set default boot command like highbank dgilmore at fedoraproject.org
2013-07-26 13:52 ` Otavio Salvador
[not found] ` <20130726192012.1634241e@adria.ausil.us>
2013-07-29 18:47 ` Otavio Salvador
2013-07-31 23:01 ` Rob Herring
2013-07-31 23:27 ` Robert Nelson
2013-08-01 8:53 ` Stefano Babic
2013-08-01 17:06 ` Dennis Gilmore
2013-08-02 9:25 ` Stefano Babic
2013-08-04 20:00 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-08-04 20:27 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-04 21:03 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-08-04 21:47 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-04 22:11 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-08-05 15:33 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-05 16:29 ` Otavio Salvador
2013-08-05 19:09 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-05 20:36 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-08-05 20:44 ` Tom Rini
[not found] ` <20130804163442.31dca315@adria.ausil.us>
2013-08-04 22:26 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-08-04 23:06 ` Dennis Gilmore
2013-08-01 17:19 ` Rob Herring
2013-08-02 9:14 ` Stefano Babic
2013-08-04 19:53 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-08-04 20:14 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-05 2:21 ` Rob Herring
2013-08-05 5:29 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-08-05 16:07 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-05 20:28 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-08-05 20:42 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-05 22:16 ` Rob Herring
2013-08-06 11:37 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-08-06 15:50 ` Stephen Warren
2013-08-06 16:18 ` Otavio Salvador
2013-08-06 16:54 ` Stephen Warren
2013-08-06 16:58 ` Otavio Salvador
2013-08-06 17:12 ` Stephen Warren
2013-08-06 17:17 ` Otavio Salvador
2013-08-06 21:37 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-06 21:44 ` Otavio Salvador
2013-08-06 21:45 ` Otavio Salvador
2013-08-06 16:22 ` Dennis Gilmore [this message]
2013-08-06 16:29 ` Otavio Salvador
2013-08-06 20:05 ` Stephen Warren
2013-08-06 21:42 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-06 23:11 ` Dennis Gilmore
2013-08-07 13:19 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-07 23:04 ` Dennis Gilmore
2013-08-08 15:26 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-10 20:50 ` Dennis Gilmore
2013-08-12 13:49 ` Tom Rini
2013-08-04 20:32 ` Tom Rini
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