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From: Marek Vasut <marex@denx.de>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [PATCH 1/2] mmc: dw_mmc: Increase timeout to 20 seconds
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 18:13:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201509121813.25397.marex@denx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150911234528.6ba30dbe@jawa>

On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 11:45:28 PM, Lukasz Majewski wrote:
> Hi Alexey,

Hi,

> > Hi Marek, Lukasz,
> > 
> > > On Wednesday, September 09, 2015 at 09:01:30 AM, Lukasz Majewski
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > > The commit: d9dbb97be0e4a550457aec5f11afefb446169c90
> > > > > "mmc: dw_mmc: Zap endless timeout" removed endless loop waiting
> > > > > for end of dw mmc transfer.
> > > > > 
> > > > > For some workloads - dfu test @ Odroid XU3 (sending 8MiB file) -
> > > > > and SD cards (e.g. MicroSD Kingston 4GiB, Adata 4GiB)
> > > > > the default timeout is to short.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The new value - 20 seconds - takes into account the situation
> > > > > when SD card triggers internal clean up. Such process may take
> > > > > more than 10 seconds on some cards.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Lukasz Majewski <l.majewski@samsung.com>
> > > > > Cc: Marek Vasut <marex@denx.de>
> > > > > Cc: Pantelis Antoniou <panto@antoniou-consulting.com>
> > > > > Cc: Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com>
> > > > 
> > > > Are there any more questions regarding this patch or is it ready
> > > > for submission as fix for v2015.10?
> > > 
> > > No comments, just apply this.
> > > 
> > > But this should really be fixed properly in the next MW.
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Marek Vasut
> > 
> > FWIW I faced similar problem even reading data.
> > At least on one of my boards reading of ~8Mb file
> > took ~1.7 seconds and so 1 second timeout was interrupting data
> > exchange.
> 
> Was it SD card or eMMC device?
> 
> > So indeed we need to have some dirty hack for upcoming release
> > like bumping timeout to something really huge but later we
> > need to fix that problem properly.
> > 
> > I though proper solution would be to set timeout depending of amount
> > of data to be exchanged... something like take slowest speed of SD/MMC
> > that is allowed by spec and calculate delay based on how much time it
> > might take for that slow device and for safety multiply it by say 2.
> 
> As fair as I remember, card provide this kind of information. We can
> try to investigate this possibility.

Please do.

> > Now from this thread I see that there're other reasons that might
> > affect length of at least write operation. In other words it could be
> > complicated unfortunately.
> 
> My gut feeling is that proper handling of eMMC would require quite a
> fair mmc subsystem rework.

Can you please elaborate ?

> > Still we need to fix regression first with virtually infinite
> > timeout :) I would even thing that simple revert of Marek's patch may
> > make sense for now.
> 
> +1 - unfortunately there were some other patches applied to this
> particular patch. Simple revert might be a bit tricky here.

-1 - In case the card gets removed during the DMA transfer and the
board doesn't have a watchdog, it will get stuck indefinitelly. We
absolutelly don't want this sort of behavior in U-Boot. I understand
that this is the easiest way for everyone to achieve some sort of
"working" solution, but it is definitelly not the correct one. While
I do agree to increasing the timeout, I do not agree to unbounded
loops, sorry.

> > From both points of view for keeping history
> > clean (compared to stacked fixes/workarounds) and from removal of
> > regression root cause.
> 
> As I said before - +1 from me.

As I said before, -1 from me. Btw. did anything regress in here? To me,
this seems like a newly discovered bug ...

> > It's not that I like to have infinite loops but given previous
> > implementation worked fine for people in the previous U-Boot release.
> 
> Good justification

It is never a justified to return to a potentially problematic version
for the sake of getting some sort of crappy hardware operational.

Best regards,
Marek Vasut

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-12 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-28 13:50 [U-Boot] [PATCH 1/2] mmc: dw_mmc: Increase timeout to 20 seconds Lukasz Majewski
2015-08-28 13:50 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 2/2] mmc: dw_mmc: Make timeout error visible to u-boot console Lukasz Majewski
2015-08-28 23:21   ` Simon Glass
2015-08-29 12:09     ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-08-29 15:07       ` Simon Glass
2015-09-03 12:33         ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-03 12:21   ` [U-Boot] [PATCH] FIX: fat: Provide correct return code from disk_{read|write} to upper layers Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-03 12:44     ` Tom Rini
2015-09-03 13:40       ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-03 14:18         ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-23  3:17           ` Stephen Warren
2015-09-23  8:40             ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-25  5:47               ` Stephen Warren
2015-09-09  7:02     ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-17 14:44       ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-12 12:51     ` [U-Boot] " Tom Rini
2015-08-28 21:55 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 1/2] mmc: dw_mmc: Increase timeout to 20 seconds Marek Vasut
2015-08-29 11:55   ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-08-29 13:52     ` Marek Vasut
2015-08-29 16:38       ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-08-29 19:19         ` Marek Vasut
2015-09-01 11:19           ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-01 11:33             ` Marek Vasut
2015-09-01 15:25               ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-01 15:35                 ` Marek Vasut
2015-09-01 16:22           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-09-02  8:06             ` Marek Vasut
2015-09-09  7:01 ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-09 11:34   ` Marek Vasut
2015-09-11 17:20     ` Alexey Brodkin
2015-09-11 21:45       ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-12 16:13         ` Marek Vasut [this message]
2015-09-13 10:03           ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-13 14:00             ` Marek Vasut
2015-09-14 10:15               ` Alexey Brodkin
2015-09-14 11:22                 ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-14 13:36                   ` Marek Vasut
2015-09-17 14:43                     ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-18  0:31                       ` Tom Rini
2015-09-18  7:32                         ` Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-18  8:07                           ` Przemyslaw Marczak
2015-09-18 19:27                           ` Tom Rini
2015-09-21 15:32                             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-09-14 10:30         ` Alexey Brodkin
2015-09-14 11:15           ` Przemyslaw Marczak
2015-09-14 10:33   ` Przemyslaw Marczak
2015-09-25 16:25 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH] mmc: dw_mmc: Increase timeout to 4 minutes (as in Linux kernel) Lukasz Majewski
2015-09-28 13:43   ` Przemyslaw Marczak
2015-09-28 21:08     ` Tom Rini
2015-09-28 21:08   ` [U-Boot] " Tom Rini

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