From: Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com>
To: Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>, Ramon Fried <rfried.dev@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Walle <michael@walle.cc>,
Michal Simek <michal.simek@xilinx.com>,
Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com>,
git <git@xilinx.com>, Joe Hershberger <joe.hershberger@ni.com>,
Simon Glass <sjg@chromium.org>,
U-Boot Mailing List <u-boot@lists.denx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: uclass: Save ethernet MAC address when generated
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 13:41:46 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211116184146.GF24579@bill-the-cat> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1739526.1637074605@gemini.denx.de>
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On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 03:56:45PM +0100, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> Dear Tom,
>
> In message <20211116141855.GD24579@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
> >
> > So, to quote lib/Kconfig:
> > config NET_RANDOM_ETHADDR
> > bool "Random ethaddr if unset"
> > help
> > Selecting this will allow the Ethernet interface to function
> > even when the ethaddr variable for that interface is unset.
> > A new MAC address will be generated on every boot and it will
> > not be added to the environment.
>
> This description is at least incomplete, because it makes no
> difference between the persistent copy of the environment and it's
> in-memory copy. For network to function, I think the MAC address
> must be stored in the in-memory copy of the environment.
Well, networking has been working with NET_RANDOM_ETHADDR not updating
the environment, with caveats that user display information that reads
from the environment rather than ->enetaddr. In so far as the
networking stack cares, ->enetaddr is what matters. We look at the
environment for a MAC, and if it doesn't match the HW we use environment
MAC, but warn.
Now, I think RFC7042 is the current correct and relevant RFC here and it
doesn't mention persistence. So I don't see a clear external authority
on if locally administered MAC addresses like this should be persistent
or not in this manner.
> > We need either a re-spin or follow-up as we're changing the documented
> > behavior. And as I mentioned in the other thread related on-going
> > thread, perhaps "ethmacskip" should play a role in preserving existing
> > behavior?
>
> We have way too many ways to do the same thing - nearly, just a
> little different :-(
Well, in this case I'm not sure that's the right problem to point at.
We can just set ethmacskip as a bit of corner-case functionality and
move on.
Because honestly, the more I read this, the more I think
https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20211115121152.3470910-1-michael@walle.cc/
is essentially the right direction. There's no reason for 'net list' to
be using the environment here when ->enetaddr is what's being used by
the stack. The use case of "I want to make my locally administered MAC
persist because my USB ethernet adapter lacks a MAC address" is solved
via the environment already.
--
Tom
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-16 18:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-29 11:14 [PATCH] net: uclass: Save ethernet MAC address when generated Michal Simek
2021-11-01 20:25 ` Ramon Fried
2021-11-02 9:00 ` Michael Walle
2021-11-02 10:27 ` Michal Simek
2021-11-03 16:57 ` Tom Rini
2021-11-04 11:18 ` Michal Simek
2021-11-04 11:37 ` Tom Rini
2021-11-04 11:43 ` Michal Simek
2021-11-04 12:59 ` Tom Rini
2021-11-04 13:06 ` Michal Simek
2021-11-04 2:09 ` Grygorii Strashko
2021-11-04 11:16 ` Michal Simek
2021-11-04 12:27 ` Michael Walle
2021-11-04 13:15 ` Michal Simek
2021-11-04 13:40 ` Michael Walle
2021-11-04 21:00 ` Ramon Fried
2021-11-09 13:55 ` Michael Walle
2021-11-11 9:10 ` Michael Walle
2021-11-16 14:18 ` Tom Rini
2021-11-16 14:56 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-11-16 18:41 ` Tom Rini [this message]
2021-11-17 7:44 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-11-17 11:50 ` Tom Rini
2021-11-17 12:24 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-11-17 12:35 ` Tom Rini
2021-11-17 15:56 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-11-17 16:15 ` Tom Rini
2021-11-18 7:08 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-11-18 9:46 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-11-18 14:51 ` Tom Rini
2021-11-18 16:29 ` Tom Rini
2021-11-18 19:04 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-11-18 19:54 ` Tom Rini
2021-11-19 12:30 ` Michal Simek
2021-11-20 15:56 ` Tom Rini
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