From: Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com>
To: Simon Glass <sjg@chromium.org>
Cc: Heinrich Schuchardt <xypron.glpk@gmx.de>,
U-Boot Mailing List <u-boot@lists.denx.de>,
Guillaume La Roque <glaroque@baylibre.com>,
Julien Masson <jmasson@baylibre.com>,
Mattijs Korpershoek <mkorpershoek@baylibre.com>,
Nam Cao <namcao@linutronix.de>,
Quentin Schulz <quentin.schulz@cherry.de>,
Shantur Rathore <i@shantur.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 23/34] bootstd: Maintain a list of images
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:04:39 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241018180439.GD4959@bill-the-cat> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFLszTi2+2si4bq-iZK5fncnUnBHVLnpp6kqJAGFyK5Lis9OZg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 11:20:52AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 at 10:33, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 09:01:03AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > Hi Heinrich,
> > >
> > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 at 22:07, Heinrich Schuchardt <xypron.glpk@gmx.de> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am 18. Oktober 2024 01:24:02 MESZ schrieb Simon Glass <sjg@chromium.org>:
> > > > >We want to keep track of images which are loaded, or those which could
> > > > >perhaps be loaded. This will make it easier to manage memory allocation,
> > > > >as well as permit removal of the EFI set_efi_bootdev() hack.
> > >
> > > I'll change this 'hack' to 'feature'.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Please, keep in mind that files can be loaded manually, e.g. via the dhcp, the wget, and the loady commands. These are outside bootflows.
> > >
> > > Yes, this series is only going to help if bootstd is used. For ad-hoc
> > > use, EFI will need to rely on the above feature, at least until
> > > someone can think of another solution.
> >
> > Perhaps I need to try and be clearer here than I might have been in the
> > past. The consensus among off the shelf free software operating systems
> > is "just give me an EFI interface". This simplifies things on their end
> > if regardless of architecture it's the same interface. This means that
> > in U-Boot we need to treat EFI as one of the primary interfaces. Not a
> > novelty. Not a "some people might use". It is a frequent and commonly
> > used feature.
>
> Yes, EFI is everywhere and growing. All the more reason to tidy up
> this piece. I would like to see bootmgr use this new API, for example.
>
> But how does this comment affect this patch?
Because at the very high level, I wonder if I made a mistake a few years
back. As I understand it, the nominal case is "bootefi bootmgr". I was
saying at the time that perhaps bootstd can just fire that off, and move
on. Now it seems like we're going along the path of re-inventing that,
and not integrating well with it either.
So, to try and bring things back together. If U-Boot decides to load
$FOO from device $BAR, at that common point is where we need to:
- Is there an lmb for the location this is supposed to go to (for the if
we know it, entire size)?
- Note down everything else we know, now.
This means that we can note down enough stuff so that EFI can construct
the path it needs. And if we're being told a filesystem, that filename
is good enough for the IH_TYPE thing you're wanting, or at least a good
chunk of it I hope.
It also means that since it's at the most common point, it doesn't
matter if we were in an EFI application, a boot script, a bootmeth or
someone at the cmdline doing "load mmc 0:1 /boot/Image $kernel_addr_r".
--
Tom
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-18 18:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-10-17 23:23 [PATCH 00/34] bootstd: Support recording images Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 01/34] alist: Mention the error condition in alist_add_placeholder() Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 02/34] alist: Add a comment for alist_init_struct() Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 03/34] alist: Expand the comment for alist_get() Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 04/34] alist: Add a way to get the next element Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 05/34] alist: Add for-loop helpers Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 06/34] alist: Add a function to empty the list Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 07/34] alist: Add a way to efficiently filter an alist Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 08/34] dm: core: Add a function to see if a device exists Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 09/34] test: boot: Use a consistent name for the script bootmeth Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 10/34] bootstd: Move bootflow-adding to bootstd Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 11/34] bootstd: Move bootflow-clearing " Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 12/34] bootstd: Add a function to get bootstd only if available Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 13/34] bootstd: Drop the bootdev-specific list of bootflows Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 14/34] bootstd: Move the bootflow list into an alist Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 15/34] image: Add a new type for extlinux Simon Glass
2024-10-18 3:14 ` Tom Rini
2024-10-18 14:57 ` Simon Glass
2024-10-18 15:17 ` Tom Rini
2024-10-18 17:20 ` Simon Glass
2024-10-18 17:54 ` Tom Rini
2024-10-18 18:19 ` Simon Glass
2024-10-18 18:31 ` Tom Rini
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 16/34] image: Add a new type for EFI apps Simon Glass
2024-10-18 9:03 ` Mark Kettenis
2024-10-18 14:55 ` Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 17/34] image: Add a new type for logo images Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 18/34] image: Add a new type for a command-line string Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 19/34] test: Expand implementation of ut_list_has_dm_tests() Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:23 ` [PATCH 20/34] test: Drop the duplicate line in setup_bootmenu_image() Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 21/34] test: boot: Update bootflow_iter() for console checking Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 22/34] bootstd: cros: Correct the x86-setup address Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 23/34] bootstd: Maintain a list of images Simon Glass
2024-10-18 3:14 ` Tom Rini
2024-10-18 4:01 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2024-10-18 15:01 ` Simon Glass
2024-10-18 16:33 ` Tom Rini
2024-10-18 17:20 ` Simon Glass
2024-10-18 18:04 ` Tom Rini [this message]
2024-10-18 18:48 ` Simon Glass
2024-10-18 21:30 ` Tom Rini
2024-10-19 11:49 ` Simon Glass
2024-10-19 16:30 ` Tom Rini
2024-10-22 12:16 ` Simon Glass
2024-10-22 15:01 ` Tom Rini
2024-10-22 17:00 ` Simon Glass
2024-10-23 18:41 ` Tom Rini
2024-10-31 18:04 ` Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 24/34] bootstd: Update bootmeth_alloc_file() to record images Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 25/34] boot: pxe: Drop the duplicate comment on get_pxe_file() Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 26/34] efi: Simplify reading files by using the common function Simon Glass
2024-10-18 3:14 ` Tom Rini
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 27/34] bootmeth: Update the read_file() method to include a type Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 28/34] efi: Check the filename-allocation in the network path Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 29/34] boot: Update extlinux pxe_getfile_func() to include type Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 30/34] boot: Update pxe bootmeth to record images Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 31/34] Update bootmeth_alloc_other() " Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 32/34] bootstd: Avoid showing an invalid buffer address Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 33/34] bootstd: Update cros bootmeth to record images Simon Glass
2024-10-17 23:24 ` [PATCH 34/34] bootstd: Add a simple command to list images Simon Glass
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