[U-Boot-Users] Can a BDI2K be used with a bare/erased 834x based system?

[U-Boot-Users] Can a BDI2K be used with a bare/erased 834x based system?

[Bruce_Leonard at selinc.com]

We're getting our custom HW in about a month and my HW designer came 
across something in the PowerQUICC Design Checklist that we hadn't 
considered.  (BTW, our board is based around the MPC8347.)  The following 
is a direct quote from the Checklist:

"There may be issues with you usa a JTAG-based in-circuit emulator to boot 
the PowerQUICC Pro II device as reset configuration words are sourced from 
an unprogrammed Flash device on the local bus.  There is no valid RCW 
already present in Flash memory when the PowerQUICC II Pro device performs 
the \PORESET sequence.  The CPU core is disabled and the in-circuit 
emulator cannot take conrtol of the CPU."

It never occured to me that this may be an issue as this is the first 
processor I've brought up that didn't get it's reset state from processor 
pins.  I had planned on using the BDI2K to do the flash programming on our 
prototypes, but if I can't get the BDI2K to take control of the the 
processor I can't do the programming.  Not a big deal, we have 
alternatives that we've thought of, but I'm curious about the "RCW" line 
in the configuration file.  The BDI2K manual states the following for the 
RCW:

"When this line is present, the BDI overrides the Reset Configuration 
Words with the values provided."

Does anyone know if this means the BDI can override the RCW before the 
processor performs the \PORESET sequence?  In other words, if I have and 
RCW line in the BDI configuration file, will it be able to provide RCW 
values to the proc essor when there are none present in the flash, and 
allow the \PORESET sequence to complete normally?

Thanks for any feedback.

Bruce

[U-Boot-Users] Can a BDI2K be used with a bare/erased 834x based system?

[Timur Tabi]

Bruce_Leonard at selinc.com wrote:

> Does anyone know if this means the BDI can override the RCW before the 
> processor performs the \PORESET sequence? 

Yes.  You use this feature to flash an RCW when the flash is trashed.

-- 
Timur Tabi
Linux Kernel Developer @ Freescale

[U-Boot-Users] Can a BDI2K be used with a bare/erased 834x based system?

[Dan Malek]

On Jun 15, 2007, at 2:13 PM, Timur Tabi wrote:

> Yes.  You use this feature to flash an RCW when the flash is trashed.

Technically, you don't "flash" an RCW, but rather
provide one over the COP interface. :-)  Also, remember
that even if your flash (or eeprom, or whatever
the location), has a valid RCW, the one provided
by the BDI will be used if present in the configuration file.


	-- Dan

[U-Boot-Users] Can a BDI2K be used with a bare/erased 834x based system?

[Timur Tabi]

Dan Malek wrote:
> 
> On Jun 15, 2007, at 2:13 PM, Timur Tabi wrote:
> 
>> Yes.  You use this feature to flash an RCW when the flash is trashed.
> 
> Technically, you don't "flash" an RCW, but rather
> provide one over the COP interface. :-) 

What I meant is that you can use the BDI's RCW override feature to allow the CPU to be 
configured.  Then you can configure the flash interface, and that will give you the 
ability to program flash.  Then you "flash an RCW" (i.e. program the flash address that 
contain the RCW with a valid RCW).

-- 
Timur Tabi
Linux Kernel Developer @ Freescale

[U-Boot-Users] Can a BDI2K be used with a bare/erased 834x based system?

[Joe Grisso]

> What I meant is that you can use the BDI's RCW override feature to allow the CPU to be
> configured.  Then you can configure the flash interface, and that will give you the
> ability to program flash.  Then you "flash an RCW" (i.e. program the flash address that
> contain the RCW with a valid RCW).

You know, that's interesting. We're using a BDI2000 with an mpc8343
here, and have to set the processor to a pre-defined mode to initially
flash a RCW in, then set it back to loading from local bus after we
have a valid word programmed. We've followed Freescale's guides on how
to connect the COP port to the CPU, but have never gotten past
switching modes to program the RCW.

Quite interesting...

Best Regards,

Joe Grisso
Synapse Product Development

[U-Boot-Users] Can a BDI2K be used with a bare/erased 834x based system?

[Timur Tabi]

Joe Grisso wrote:

> You know, that's interesting. We're using a BDI2000 with an mpc8343
> here, and have to set the processor to a pre-defined mode to initially
> flash a RCW in, then set it back to loading from local bus after we
> have a valid word programmed. We've followed Freescale's guides on how
> to connect the COP port to the CPU, but have never gotten past
> switching modes to program the RCW.

I'm not a hardware guy, so I can't tell you if you're doing something wrong or even if 
Freescale's guides (which I have not read) are complete.

I can say that I haven't had any real problems with the BDI-2000 on any Freescale 
reference board I've used.  However, creating a BDI-2000 configuration file is tricky, 
especially if you're debugging U-Boot.  U-Boot will generally not boot on a board that has 
had some BDI-2000 pre-programming (i.e. stuff in the [INIT] section).  So I usually have 
two configuration files: one just for flashing, and the other for debugging early U-Boot.

The one for flashing will initialize the CPU, DDR, and flash memory.

-- 
Timur Tabi
Linux Kernel Developer @ Freescale

[U-Boot-Users] Can a BDI2K be used with a bare/erased 834x based system?

[Wolfgang Denk]

In message <46783605.2070206@freescale.com> you wrote:
> 
> I can say that I haven't had any real problems with the BDI-2000 on any Freescale 
> reference board I've used.  However, creating a BDI-2000 configuration file is tricky, 
> especially if you're debugging U-Boot.  U-Boot will generally not boot on a board that has 
> had some BDI-2000 pre-programming (i.e. stuff in the [INIT] section).  So I usually have 

This is not correct. You just have to  understand  (and  Reading  the
Fine  Manual  helps once more) the difference between "reset run" and
"reset halt".

> two configuration files: one just for flashing, and the other for debugging early U-Boot.

This is usually *not* necessary.

> The one for flashing will initialize the CPU, DDR, and flash memory.

Just always use this configuration, and use "reset run" when you don't
wan to run the init sequence.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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[U-Boot-Users] Can a BDI2K be used with a bare/erased 834x based system?

[Bruce_Leonard at selinc.com]

Thanks for the responses.  I was fairly sure it could be done, but we 
wanted to make sure.

Bruce


Timur Tabi <timur@freescale.com> wrote on 06/15/2007 02:13:45 PM:

> Bruce_Leonard at selinc.com wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know if this means the BDI can override the RCW before the 

> > processor performs the \PORESET sequence? 
> 
> Yes.  You use this feature to flash an RCW when the flash is trashed.
> 
> -- 
> Timur Tabi
> Linux Kernel Developer @ Freescale