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From: Rafal Jaworowski <raj@semihalf.com>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot-Users] Pull request: u-boot-freebsd
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:40:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47684C6F.8080303@semihalf.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071217190308.3a4ab903@dhcp-252-066.norway.atmel.com>

Haavard Skinnemoen wrote:
>>>   * What happens if changes to the API is needed? Will be keep adding
>>>     new "system calls" every time a new limitation with the existing
>>>     interface is found (like Linux does)?
>> The API is versioned and consumer code is able to verify it. When we need to
>> change/extend it, the version is bumped: that's similar how many other APIs
>> are managed, like UNIX libs.
> 
> So old versions of the interface must be kept around in case
> legacy applications need them (that's how solib versioning works,
> IIRC.) Or do applications have to anticipate that the interface may
> change in a future version?

If backwards compatibility is required then yes, this would be nice to have,
but let's try not to miss the whole picture: with current U-Boot nine (9)
standalone very simple programs are shipping, which use the jumptable
approach. Why would they suffer with a more generic calling mechanism?

>>>   * Both the API core and the examples are littered with external
>>>     declarations. Can we please put such things in header files where it
>>>     belongs?
>> There's a couple of extern declarations that indeed could be placed in a
>> separate header, but it's usually fine balance when to put something into a
>> separate file (and bloat the files structure..), and in this case I decided
>> not to for simplicity. All other externs are for accessing existing U-Boot
>> objects.
> 
> "A couple"? There are sh*tloads of them.
> 
> As for accessing existing U-Boot objects, that's not an excuse. If a
> global function is missing a corresponding header declaration, it
> should be added.

I don't see this a maintenance difficulty, but if you consider this a major
obstacle I'll try to improve thier organization.

>>>   * All syscalls are implemented as vararg functions, so it's difficult
>>>     to tell what arguments they take and whether or not they are being
>>>     used correctly from the other side of the "syscall" line. A
>>>     standard set of wrappers and associated header files would help, of
>>>     course.
>> There is a pseudo-signature description in the comment for each syscall that
>> was meant to help and document. Also, the helper wrapper you mention is
>> already there: it's the glue layer, which implements front-end conveniency
>> calls the consumer can use, but it's not mandatory and syscall can be invoked
>> directly.
> 
> Yeah, but the stubs have no associated header file, so you have to
> declare them yourself. That's just begging for fun-to-debug problems
> where the caller and the callee have different opinions about the
> function signature...even more fun when the problems only show up on
> certain architectures.
> 

That's a valid point, I'll provide a header file with those.

Rafal

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-18 22:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-17 12:06 [U-Boot-Users] Pull request: u-boot-freebsd Rafal Jaworowski
2007-12-17 12:39 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-12-17 17:17   ` Rafal Jaworowski
2007-12-17 18:03     ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-12-18 22:40       ` Rafal Jaworowski [this message]
2007-12-18 23:08         ` Wolfgang Denk
2007-12-19  9:32         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-12-17 18:06     ` Marcel Moolenaar
2007-12-17 18:19       ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-12-17 19:10         ` Marcel Moolenaar
2007-12-19  9:08           ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-12-18 23:00         ` Rafal Jaworowski
2007-12-19  9:15           ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-12-27  0:05 ` Wolfgang Denk
2007-12-27 11:56   ` Rafal Jaworowski
2007-12-27 16:27     ` Ben Warren
2007-12-27 17:19       ` Rafal Jaworowski
2007-12-27 17:06     ` Wolfgang Denk
2007-12-27 17:29       ` Rafal Jaworowski
2007-12-27 19:59         ` Ben Warren
2007-12-27 20:06         ` Wolfgang Denk
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-21 11:06 Rafal Jaworowski
2008-02-22 12:01 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-01-29 16:28 Rafal Jaworowski
2008-02-11 23:51 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-01-09 19:04 Rafal Jaworowski
2008-01-09 22:08 ` Wolfgang Denk
2007-10-14 10:51 Rafal Jaworowski
2007-10-14 12:50 ` Wolfgang Denk

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