[U-Boot] WELCOME to the new mailing list

[U-Boot] WELCOME to the new mailing list

[Wolfgang Denk]

Hello everybody,

after the automatic notice you should have received telling you that
you have been subscribed to the new U-Boot mailing list, I would like
to welcome you here, too.

From now on, the old mailing list at SourceForge should be considered
obsolete. Please post new messages only to the new mailing list
address:

	u-boot at lists.denx.de

Thanks.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

-- 
DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
In general, they do what you want, unless you want consistency.
                                    - Larry Wall in the perl man page

[U-Boot] WELCOME to the new mailing list

[Kelsey Dawes]

> >From now on, the old mailing list at SourceForge should be considered
> obsolete. Please post new messages only to the new mailing list
> address:
> 

Hi,

Unless there is a plan to bring the sourceforge archives to the new host, it might be helpful to include a link back to the old archives.  They are a great resource, and I'm certain there will be many questions wondering where to find them...

Cheers,
-Kelsey

-- 
Negative  Ghostrider - the pattern is full

[U-Boot] WELCOME to the new mailing list

[Wolfgang Denk]

In message <20080807215907.GL2152@nimrod.unx.ca> you wrote:
>
> Unless there is a plan to bring the sourceforge archives to the new host, it might be helpful to include a link back to the old archives.  They are a great resource, and I'm certain there will be many questions wondering where to find them...

There is a plan :-)

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

-- 
DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
So we follow our wandering paths, and the very darkness acts  as  our
guide and our doubts serve to reassure us. - Jean-Pierre de Caussade,
eighteenth-century Jesuit priest

[U-Boot] [OT] lack of Reference field (was Re: WELCOME to the new mailing list)

[Shinya Kuribayashi]

Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> In message <20080807215907.GL2152@nimrod.unx.ca> you wrote:
>> Unless there is a plan to bring the sourceforge archives to the new host, it might be helpful to include a link back to the old archives.  They are a great resource, and I'm certain there will be many questions wondering where to find them...
> 
> There is a plan :-)
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Wolfgang Denk

Hi Wolfgang and all,

I don't know what is the culprit, but Wolfgang's mails always lack of
Reference: field, thus they always break my thread view of Thunderbird.
I confirmed this behavior with Tb at Windows, Tb at Linux and Tb at Mac.

And I expected a new list might fix this problem, but it seems not. Does
anyone know what is the problem and how do I work around?


Thanks in advance,

  Shinya

[U-Boot] [OT] lack of Reference field (was Re: WELCOME to the new mailing list)

[Wolfgang Denk]

Dear Shinya,

in message <489B9915.9070802@ruby.dti.ne.jp> you wrote:
>
> I don't know what is the culprit, but Wolfgang's mails always lack of
> Reference: field, thus they always break my thread view of Thunderbird.
> I confirmed this behavior with Tb at Windows, Tb at Linux and Tb at Mac.
> 
> And I expected a new list might fix this problem, but it seems not. Does
> anyone know what is the problem and how do I work around?

I'm using a mailer that builds on MH (nmh,  to  be  exact);  it  will
insert  appropriate  "In-reply-to:"  headers,  but  not "References:"
fields.

I was not aware that this might be a problem - nobody ever told me
yet, so thanks for pointing this out.

Let me try something...

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

-- 
DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
Every time history repeats itself the price goes up.

[U-Boot] [OT] lack of Reference field (was Re: WELCOME to the new mailing list)

[Wolfgang Denk]

Dear Shinya,

in message <489B9915.9070802@ruby.dti.ne.jp> you wrote:
>
> I don't know what is the culprit, but Wolfgang's mails always lack of
> Reference: field, thus they always break my thread view of Thunderbird.
> I confirmed this behavior with Tb at Windows, Tb at Linux and Tb at Mac.
> 
> And I expected a new list might fix this problem, but it seems not. Does
> anyone know what is the problem and how do I work around?

Please check if this is better now...

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

-- 
DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
Common sense and a sense of humor  are  the  same  thing,  moving  at
different speeds.  A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
                                                        - Clive James

[U-Boot] [OT] lack of Reference field (was Re: WELCOME to the new mailing list)

[Shinya Kuribayashi]

Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> in message <489B9915.9070802@ruby.dti.ne.jp> you wrote:
>> I don't know what is the culprit, but Wolfgang's mails always lack of
>> Reference: field, thus they always break my thread view of Thunderbird.
>> I confirmed this behavior with Tb at Windows, Tb at Linux and Tb at Mac.
>>
>> And I expected a new list might fix this problem, but it seems not. Does
>> anyone know what is the problem and how do I work around?
> 
> Please check if this is better now...

Great, it works. This will help me/us to track the list easier.

Thanks a lot,

  Shinya

[U-Boot] [OT] lack of Reference field (was Re: WELCOME to the new mailing list)

[Wolfgang Denk]

Dear Shinya Kuribayashi,

In message <489C694F.6080307@ruby.dti.ne.jp> you wrote:
>
> Great, it works. This will help me/us to track the list easier.

You are welcome. The problem was that I never  updated  my  replcomps
file since initial installation many, many years ago (long before the
invention of threading).

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

-- 
DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
It is dangerous to be right on a subject  on  which  the  established
authorities are wrong.                                    -- Voltaire

[U-Boot] Subject line tag differences "U-Boot-Users vs. U-Boot" between the two U-Boot mailing list servers

[Ken.Fuchs at bench.com]

Subject line tags in the transition to the new mailing list server:

u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net generates [U-Boot-Users].
u-boot at lists.denx.de generates a [U-Boot].

Wolfgang Denk wrote:

> Hello everybody,
> 
> after the automatic notice you should have received telling you that
> you have been subscribed to the new U-Boot mailing list, I would like
> to welcome you here, too.
> 
> From now on, the old mailing list at SourceForge should be considered
> obsolete. Please post new messages only to the new mailing list
> address:

Messages with just [U-Boot-Users] in the subject line implies it
was handled by u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net.  If this is
the case, let the SF server handle the thread to completion! 
This is an implication of the sentence "Please post new messages
only to the new mailing list address".

Messages with both [U-Boot-Users] and [U-Boot] in the subject line
implies it was handled by both by u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
and later handled by u-boot at lists.denx.de.  Such messages should have
stayed on the u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net to completion.
Should they be switched back to the u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
server or would that mess up the archiving of messages even more?
I'm assuming that it is desirable to have complete threads on either
of the two mailing list servers and not split threads between them.

Never send messages to both servers simultaneously.  Everyone on the
mailing list may get duplicate messages as a result.

Messages with only [U-Boot] in the subject line implies that
the thread started on the u-boot at lists.denx.de server.  The
thread will stay on this server unless someone manually switches
it to the old server or their mail client is severely
misconfigured.  Never switch a thread that started on the new
server back to the old server.  I have _not_ noticed this yet.

Please correct me, if I've misunderstood the transition plan for
switching to the new u-boot at lists.denx.de mailing list server.

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs

[U-Boot] Subject line tag differences "U-Boot-Users vs. U-Boot" between the two U-Boot mailing list servers

[Scott Wood]

On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:20:50AM -0500, Ken.Fuchs at bench.com wrote:
> Messages with just [U-Boot-Users] in the subject line implies it
> was handled by u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net.  If this is
> the case, let the SF server handle the thread to completion! 
> This is an implication of the sentence "Please post new messages
> only to the new mailing list address".

New messages != new threads, and I'd assume the "only" applies to
"mailing list address", not "new messages".

-Scott

[U-Boot] Subject line tag differences "U-Boot-Users vs. U-Boot" between the two U-Boot mailing list servers

[Wolfgang Denk]

Dear Ken.Fuchs at bench.com,

In message <AA28F077645B324881335614E4F7C4284A49FC@win-ex01.bench.com> you wrote:
> Subject line tags in the transition to the new mailing list server:
> 
> u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net generates [U-Boot-Users].
> u-boot at lists.denx.de generates a [U-Boot].

That's intentional, as the new  list's  name  is  "u-boot"  (and  not
"u-boot-users"  any more. I felt the "-users" part was wrong, as this
list is at least as much intended for developers.

> Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> 
> Messages with just [U-Boot-Users] in the subject line implies it
> was handled by u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net.  If this is
> the case, let the SF server handle the thread to completion! 

This is not necessary. Threading should continue to work even when you
continue on the new list. Same holds for the archive, I hope (but this
has not been recovered yet).

> This is an implication of the sentence "Please post new messages
> only to the new mailing list address".

Actually it means what it says.

> Messages with both [U-Boot-Users] and [U-Boot] in the subject line
> implies it was handled by both by u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> and later handled by u-boot at lists.denx.de.  Such messages should have
> stayed on the u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net to completion.

NO, this should be avoided. Please STOP posting to the SF list!

> Never send messages to both servers simultaneously.  Everyone on the
> mailing list may get duplicate messages as a result.

Do not send messages to the old list any more, please.


Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

-- 
DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
Let the programmers be many and the managers few -- then all will  be
productive.               -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"

[U-Boot] Subject line tag differences "U-Boot-Users vs. U-Boot" between the two U-Boot mailing list servers

[Ken.Fuchs at bench.com]

> Ken Fuchs wrote:

> > Messages with just [U-Boot-Users] in the subject line implies it
> > was handled by u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net.  If this is
> > the case, let the SF server handle the thread to completion! 

Wolfgang Denk wrote:
 
> This is not necessary. Threading should continue to work even when
> you continue on the new list. Same holds for the archive, I hope
> (but this has not been recovered yet).

A mailing list server typically only archives messages that it
actually serves, so a separate archiving server subscribed to
both lists would be needed to ensure entire threads are archived
together whose messages have been split between the u-boot-users
and u-boot mailing list servers. 
 
> > This is an implication of the sentence "Please post new
> > messages only to the new mailing list address".

> Actually it means what it says.

It doesn't necessarily mean what you thought it meant:

It says "new" messages implying that non-new messages can be posted
as well (A valid interpretation of a new message is a message with
a _new_ topic/subject, starting a _new_ thread; a valid
interpretation of non-new messages is responses to old messages).

Even the simplest message can be easily misinterpreted,
because natural languages are imprecise and depend on the
experiences of the receiver of the message even more than
experiences of the sender (eye of the beholder). 

If the intention was that everyone post _all_ messages to the new
server then the following sentence would have been clearer:

"Please post _all_ messages to the new mailing list address".

--- Unrelated topic ----

The new mailing list server is perhaps broken in the same way as
the old server:

Your response to my post was sent directly to me without the
[U-Boot] tag in the subject line.  My Mailman profile is
configured such that the server must send all mailing list
messages to me despite my address already being in a To or CC
header.  However, the old server didn't do this and neither
does the new server.

Has anyone else experienced this same problem with the new server?

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs

[U-Boot] Subject line tag differences "U-Boot-Users vs. U-Boot" between the two U-Boot mailing list servers

[Wolfgang Denk]

Dear Ken.Fuchs at bench.com,

In message <AA28F077645B324881335614E4F7C4284A4A00@win-ex01.bench.com> you wrote:
>
> A mailing list server typically only archives messages that it
> actually serves, so a separate archiving server subscribed to

Typically. Assume that the mailing list archive on list.denx.de will
include the old archives from SF, too. It doesn't yet, but it will.

> both lists would be needed to ensure entire threads are archived
> together whose messages have been split between the u-boot-users
> and u-boot mailing list servers. 

> > > This is an implication of the sentence "Please post new
> > > messages only to the new mailing list address".
> 
> > Actually it means what it says.
> 
> It doesn't necessarily mean what you thought it meant:

I though it to mean what it says it means :-)

> It says "new" messages implying that non-new messages can be posted

Non-new messages would mean to re-send old messages - that its
obviously is pretty stupid thing to do.

> as well (A valid interpretation of a new message is a message with
> a _new_ topic/subject, starting a _new_ thread; a valid

No. A new message is a new message, independent of any thread it
belongs to, wheter this may be an old, existing thread r a new one.

> interpretation of non-new messages is responses to old messages).

I strongly disagree. You have to send a new message to respond to an
old one.

> The new mailing list server is perhaps broken in the same way as
> the old server:
> 
> Your response to my post was sent directly to me without the
> [U-Boot] tag in the subject line.  My Mailman profile is

What makes you think the mailing list server is to blame for that? If
I send a message to you, with the list on cc:, the list server has no
chance of interfering with the message I send to you.

> configured such that the server must send all mailing list
> messages to me despite my address already being in a To or CC
> header.  However, the old server didn't do this and neither
> does the new server.

Are you absolutely sure that the list server is doing this? And not
your own mail server on your receiving end?

> Has anyone else experienced this same problem with the new server?

None that I know of.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

-- 
DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
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[U-Boot] WELCOME to the new mailing list

[Marco Cavallini]

Wolfgang Denk ha scritto:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> after the automatic notice you should have received telling you that
> you have been subscribed to the new U-Boot mailing list, I would like
> to welcome you here, too.
> 
> From now on, the old mailing list at SourceForge should be considered
> obsolete. Please post new messages only to the new mailing list
> address:
> 
> 	u-boot at lists.denx.de
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Wolfgang Denk
> 

Thank you
seema that I'm still receiving messages mixed between both lists.
Do I have to unsubscribe sourceforge one ?
TIA

Best regards
--
/marco cavallini

[U-Boot] WELCOME to the new mailing list

[Wolfgang Denk]

Dear Marco Cavallini,

In message <48A00066.1040604@gmail.com> you wrote:
>
> seema that I'm still receiving messages mixed between both lists.

Yes, a few people still post to the old list. I think that trafic on
the old list will go down quickly.

> Do I have to unsubscribe sourceforge one ?

No.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

-- 
DENX Software Engineering GmbH,     MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd at denx.de
I still miss my ex-wife, but my aim is getting better.