From: Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>
To: Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com>
Cc: "Sean Anderson" <seanga2@gmail.com>,
"Simon Glass" <sjg@chromium.org>,
"U-Boot Mailing List" <u-boot@lists.denx.de>,
"Marek Behún" <marek.behun@nic.cz>,
"Roland Gaudig" <roland.gaudig-oss@weidmueller.com>,
"Heinrich Schuchardt" <xypron.glpk@gmx.de>,
"Kostas Michalopoulos" <badsector@runtimeterror.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 05/28] cli: lil: Rename some functions to be more like TCL
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2021 10:16:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49463.1625645773@gemini.denx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210706153327.GS9516@bill-the-cat>
Dear Tom,
In message <20210706153327.GS9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
>
> > Mature? And still without consequent error checking? And done,
> > i. e. this will never be fixed?
>
> Intentional design by upstream, and then for the actual problem part
> (error checking, test suite), Sean is saying he'll fix it, and has
> started on it.
Seriously - any piece of software that omits error checking
intentionally be design should be indented six feet downward and
covered with dirt. We should not even consider looking at it.
> OK, snark aside, I'm very serious here, any "we'll just import ..."
> needs to have a plan to keep it up to date, or be easy enough to do such
> that I can set a monthly reminder to check for and do the update. Every
> area where we don't do this is a set of problems waiting to get worse,
> as we can see with the hush shell right now as it's one of the oldest
> things we stopped syncing with.
Which exact _new_ problems do we see with hush right now? I can
only see old ones, that have been known (and worked around) for
nearly two decades.
The limitations and bugs have all been there since the beginning -
the limitations actually being intentional due to the typical
resource situation at that time.
> But I
> really think we want a shell environment that is not actively adding new
> features is a good thing, for the default. Just how much stuff should
> we be doing or need to be doing before we hand things over to the OS?
You are shooting yourself in the knee here.
If you think out CLI should not be adding new features, then we
should just stick with our ancient hush and neither update it nor
replace it with something else that adds not only new features, but
breaks backward compatibility, hard.
Best regards,
Wolfgang Denk
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Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-01 6:15 [RFC PATCH 00/28] cli: Add a new shell Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 01/28] Add Zlib License Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 02/28] cli: Add LIL shell Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 11:03 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-02 13:33 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-03 2:12 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-03 19:33 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 19:10 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 19:47 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 19:53 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 19:55 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-06 7:46 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06 7:52 ` Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
2021-07-06 14:57 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-06 15:48 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 8:22 ` Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
2021-07-06 14:54 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 8:15 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-07 13:58 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 14:10 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-07 14:14 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 14:23 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06 7:44 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06 15:43 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-06 16:09 ` Kostas Michalopoulos
2021-07-07 13:32 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-07 8:15 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-07 13:46 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-07 13:51 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 13:58 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 14:48 ` Marek Behun
2021-07-08 5:19 ` Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
2021-07-08 15:33 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-08 4:56 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08 17:00 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-03 19:23 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 03/28] cli: lil: Replace strclone with strdup Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 8:36 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-07-02 11:38 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-02 13:38 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 14:28 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-02 22:18 ` Kostas Michalopoulos
2021-07-03 2:28 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-03 19:26 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-05 5:07 ` Steve Bennett
2021-07-05 14:42 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 15:42 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 17:50 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-08 4:37 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08 16:13 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 04/28] cli: lil: Remove most functions by default Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 05/28] cli: lil: Rename some functions to be more like TCL Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 15:54 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 17:58 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-05 18:51 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 21:02 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 21:36 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-06 7:52 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06 15:21 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-06 15:33 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-06 16:00 ` Kostas Michalopoulos
2021-07-07 8:16 ` Wolfgang Denk [this message]
2021-07-07 13:58 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 19:46 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-06 7:50 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-08 4:47 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08 16:21 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 06/28] cli: lil: Convert some defines to enums Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 07/28] cli: lil: Simplify callbacks Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 08/28] cli: lil: Handle commands with dots Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 09/28] cli: lil: Use error codes Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 10/28] cli: lil: Add printf-style format helper for errors Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 11/28] cli: lil: Add several helper functions " Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 12/28] cli: lil: Check for ctrl-c Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 13/28] cli: lil: Wire up LIL to the rest of U-Boot Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 8:18 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-07-02 13:40 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 14/28] cli: lil: Document structures Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 15/28] cli: lil: Convert LIL_ENABLE_POOLS to Kconfig Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 16/28] cli: lil: Convert LIL_ENABLE_RECLIMIT to KConfig Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 17/28] test: Add tests for LIL Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 18/28] cli: lil: Remove duplicate function bodies Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 19/28] cli: lil: Add "symbol" structure Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 20/28] cli: lil: Add config to enable debug output Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 21/28] cli: lil: Add a distinct parsing step Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 22/28] env: Add a priv pointer to hwalk_r Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 20:10 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 23/28] cli: lil: Handle OOM for hm_put Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 24/28] cli: lil: Make proc always take 3 arguments Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 25/28] cli: lil: Always quote items in lil_list_to_value Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 26/28] cli: lil: Allocate len even when str is NULL in alloc_value_len Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 27/28] cli: lil: Add a function to quote values Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 28/28] cli: lil: Load procs from the environment Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH 00/28] cli: Add a new shell Tom Rini
2021-07-02 11:30 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-02 13:56 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 14:07 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08 3:49 ` Heiko Schocher
2021-07-08 4:26 ` Sean Anderson
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