From: Jerry Van Baren <gerald.vanbaren@ge.com>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] BDIxxxx and others...
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:53:06 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A38F542.9010106@ge.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A382998.4010300@ovro.caltech.edu>
David Hawkins wrote:
>> I see you guys talking about BDI3000 and I decided to ask a related
>> question.
>>
>> Those who happen to own MPC8548CDS or something like this know it comes with
>> a small box called CodeWarrior USB TAP.
>>
>> It is supposed to work with their software one has to pay for. I never used
>> anything but GCC suite for anything GCC supports and always tried to avoid
>> commercial tools like a plague. So I want to ask if somebody knows if there
>> are any free tools for that thing...
>>
>> Not that I really need it for something but it is sitting in the box
>> gathering dust and it would be nice ot somehow put it to do something...
>
> I've wondered the same thing. But didn't manage to find
> anything out there. I've got three ... in the boxes
> the Freescale MDS boards came in.
Yup, got a handful myself.
> The USB-TAP has a PowerPC processor in it ... so even if you
> had to blow away the original firmware, I'm sure it wouldn't
> be too hard to figure out what code would be required to
> make the device look like a USB debugger, and then create
> a set of USB commands to generate JTAG transactions.
MPC866PVR133A in the one I disassembled. Not a top-of-the-line
processor, but plenty for the job.
> I think the main problem is getting the JTAG TAP codes
> for manipulating JTAG. I've never seen a document relating
> to that, so they are obviously NDA.
Yup.
> That being said, a weekend with a logic analyzer on a
> BDI2000 JTAG connection would probably give you all the
> info you need to figure out the appropriate JTAG
> commands.
The problem is that it is going to be different for every processor
family and it may even change between processor revisions. There is a
risk that, if you send the wrong sequence, you will damage your target
processor (JTAG+BSDL can burn up chips too if you set outputs to
fighting - DAMHIKT).
With a large number of internal registers (many unknown) all hooked
together into a single scan chain, it will take quite a bit of effort to
hit each register individually to correlate the scan chain to the register.
Oh, and you need to purchase a commercial debugger to do this, at which
point you've already spent your money, got your functionality, and lost
your incentive.
> I've wired up the COP connection on my board via an FPGA,
> so that I could conceivably use the PowerPC JTAG via
> PCI. However, its the lack of open documentation on the
> JTAG commands that has limited my interest in pursuing
> this. However, it would be simple to use that interface
> to log all JTAG transactions, to figure out all the
> JTAG TAP instructions.
The *JTAG* commands *ARE* documented and you can download the BSDL
(Boundary Scan Description Language) files for all chips that I've
looked at. This is *NOT* the internal proprietary "COP" scan chain -
that just piggybacks on the JTAG/BSDL documented scan chain. The
boundary scan allows you to wiggle the external pins on the processor...
e.g. you can drive an address + data + CS*, toggle the WR* pin, and
viola, you are programming flash (lots of pain glossed over).
I've looked at UrJTAG
<http://www.urjtag.org/>
but have not gone further because I already spent the money for a BDI
;-). I typically use the BDI for debugging for a few hours on board
bring up (requires a good board design to start with - thanks, hardware
guys!). After that, the only reason I need the BDI is to recover from
loading bad bits into flash.
The UrJTAG software + JTAG hardware + BSDL file would allow me to
reprogram my flash for a lot less than the cost of a full JTAG debugger.
This is where the USB-TAP support would be Really Nice.
This would also work for the "burn & learn" method - if you are lucky
and smart (in that order), it can be effective. Unfortunately, "burn &
learn" falls into the CompSci category of halting problems:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem>
> Cheers,
> Dave
Best regards,
gvb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-06-17 13:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-06-16 23:00 [U-Boot] BDIxxxx and others ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-16 23:24 ` David Hawkins
2009-06-16 23:34 ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-06-16 23:43 ` David Hawkins
2009-06-17 5:39 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-06-17 15:41 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-17 13:53 ` Jerry Van Baren [this message]
2009-06-17 15:55 ` David Hawkins
2009-06-17 5:37 ` Wolfgang Denk
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