From: Thomas Doerfler <Thomas.Doerfler@embedded-brains.de>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] U-book and GPLv3? (fwd)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:03:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A45E046.9050707@embedded-brains.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2ljnf6vs2.fsf@ohwell.denx.de>
Detlev Zundel schrieb:
> Hi Jean-Christophe,
>
>> On 00:50 Fri 26 Jun , Richard Stallman wrote:
>>> If I use a GPLv3 bootloader in a medical tool, a car, Point of payment terminal,
>>> Military System, etc... it is a grave security flaw.
>>> I'm not sure that you will be very happy if someone can modify the Firmware
>>> freely. As you may loose money to be killed and at the extrem kill millions
>>> of people.
>>>
>>> There is no need to exaggerate. Millions of people modify cars
>>> physically, and it is not a dangerous practice.
>> It is.
>>> If you buy a car, or a medical tool for my own use, you deserve to be able
>>> to change the software in it, just as you can change it physically.
>> Certanly not when you use your car your are also on the public domain (road)
>> so it your car have a system faillure you can kill yourself and kill other
>> people. Remember that you are not allow to modify your car as your wish there
>> is law that will forbiden you to do this in a lot' of country.
>
> It seems that you have very strong interests on the software side, which
> need to be considered separately, but here you are really distorting
> actual reality. As this example is likely best known to everybody, I'll
> comment on this one - it seems currently too much work without a
> prospect of any gain to comment on everything.
>
> Of course you can modify your own car. This is *not* forbidden - why do
> you claim such a thing? Heck you can even attach a rocket to it *as
> long* as you don't use the car on public streets. If you do, all you
> got to do is to get your modifications approved. No big deal, go to a
> <insert favorite car brand here> meeting and look at the cars there.
>
> I can even build my own car from scratch and get it certified.
>
> Although I wanted to restrict myself to cars - it's the same with
> planes. It is common practice for example to modify glider planes
> (increasing wing span for example to be more competitive today) for
> which the manufacturer even *does not exist* any more today. Admittedly
> this is some work to get it certified, but it is doable by a private
> person for sure, I personally know some.
>
> Actually I can even build my own *plane* and still get it certified
> (this is not uncommon).
>
> Cheers
> Detlev
>
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2009-06-18 14:51 ` [U-Boot] U-book and GPLv3? (fwd) Wolfgang Denk
2009-06-18 15:42 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-18 15:46 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-18 15:56 ` Jon Smirl
2009-06-19 8:30 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-19 0:46 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-06-19 22:18 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-23 16:33 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-23 19:26 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-23 19:41 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-23 21:14 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-24 9:17 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 14:16 ` Matthew Lear
2009-06-24 16:45 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 17:41 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 11:22 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 13:56 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 14:11 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 0:59 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 9:55 ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-25 23:29 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26 0:17 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-27 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26 6:11 ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-25 14:00 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 15:38 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 16:07 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 16:39 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 19:10 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 19:38 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 20:22 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 20:45 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 21:44 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 22:11 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-26 9:03 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-26 4:50 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26 21:35 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 0:59 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 21:24 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-26 4:50 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26 7:22 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-26 12:10 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-27 9:01 ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-28 20:28 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-29 7:05 ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-27 9:03 ` Thomas Doerfler [this message]
2009-06-26 21:35 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-27 19:05 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-28 20:28 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-24 9:12 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 11:43 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-24 13:17 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 14:38 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-24 16:34 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 16:57 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-25 12:30 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 19:40 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-24 17:32 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 11:04 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 13:53 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 14:20 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 14:37 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 8:25 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 13:41 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 13:56 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 14:17 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 15:11 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 16:23 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 14:41 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 18:37 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 8:21 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 13:48 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-29 15:17 ` Robin Getz
2009-06-29 18:48 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-29 19:45 ` Robin Getz
2009-06-30 14:04 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 17:14 ` Robin Getz
2009-06-30 19:12 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 22:29 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-01 11:46 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 13:11 ` Graeme Russ
2009-07-01 13:55 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-07-01 14:51 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02 8:35 ` Pink Boy
2009-07-02 13:56 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-02 14:59 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02 16:11 ` Larry Johnson
2009-07-02 17:12 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02 22:34 ` Pink Boy
2009-07-02 17:21 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-07-03 13:48 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 5:58 ` Thomas Dörfler
2009-07-02 13:56 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-02 14:44 ` Jon Smirl
2009-07-02 16:06 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-07-03 13:47 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 15:51 ` [U-Boot] U-boot " Wolfgang Wegner
2009-07-03 22:52 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 0:29 ` [U-Boot] U-book " Jon Smirl
2009-07-06 18:04 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-30 19:12 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 21:01 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-01 11:45 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 14:27 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02 13:56 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 19:12 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 22:46 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-01 11:45 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 23:29 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26 0:02 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-27 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-28 18:48 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 0:59 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 3:35 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 16:48 ` Chris Morgan
2009-06-25 19:25 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-24 9:09 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 16:24 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-24 16:36 ` Jon Smirl
2009-06-24 16:56 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 19:16 ` Jon Smirl
2009-06-25 11:25 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 10:48 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-24 17:16 ` Grant Likely
2009-06-25 0:59 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <fa686aa40906181853g3ce4ebeagc7b7cc93010a6a9c@mail.gmail.com>
2009-06-19 1:53 ` Grant Likely
2009-06-19 8:40 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 14:11 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-27 20:18 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-27 22:50 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-29 14:56 ` Arno Fischer
2009-06-29 15:27 ` Frank Svendsbøe
2009-06-29 16:00 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-29 16:33 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-07-07 11:51 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2009-07-07 13:12 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 13:50 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2009-07-07 14:43 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 15:18 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2009-07-07 15:28 ` Jon Smirl
2009-07-07 16:26 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-06-25 18:46 ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-25 18:52 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 19:04 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-30 2:03 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-06-30 14:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 14:16 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-06-30 14:30 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-30 15:11 ` Eric Nelson
2009-06-30 19:12 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 17:07 ` Scott Wood
2009-07-01 0:01 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-07-06 10:55 ` [U-Boot] U-book and GPLv3? Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-06 12:41 ` Jon Smirl
2009-07-06 14:40 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-06 16:06 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 16:50 ` Scott Wood
2009-07-06 15:44 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-07-06 18:46 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 19:16 ` Remy Bohmer
2009-07-07 21:17 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 13:24 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-07 20:07 ` Remy Bohmer
2009-07-07 21:24 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-09 16:10 ` Kumar Gala
2009-07-09 17:54 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-07-09 18:01 ` Kumar Gala
2009-07-09 19:49 ` Remy Bohmer
2009-07-09 20:26 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-07-10 12:49 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-07-09 20:04 ` Wolfgang Denk
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