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From: J. William Campbell <jwilliamcampbell@comcast.net>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [PATCH 0/2] Make sure 85xx bss doesn't start at 0x0
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:34:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ACBA9BA.809@comcast.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1254852529.24664.2383.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Peter Tyser wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 19:51 +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
>   
>> Dear Peter Tyser,
>>
>> In message <1254843932.24664.2083.camel@localhost.localdomain> you wrote:
>>     
>>> I personally like the current implementation of putting the bss after
>>> the entire U-Boot image.  It keeps U-Boot's code, malloc pool, stack,
>>> bss, etc all in the same general area which is nice, and has the side
>>> benefit that the bootpg won't be overwritten.
>>>       
>> OK, if you think so...
>>
>>     
>>> I know ORing in 0x10 is a bit ugly, but what's the real downside of
>>> doing it?
>>>       
>> Nothing. I just hate to allocate the bss at 0x0, because this is
>> actually incorrect - it's the result of an address overflow /
>> truncation, and pretty much misleading to someone trying to read and
>> understand the code. For the linked image, it does not _look_ as if
>> the bss was located _after_ the U-Boot image, it looks detached and
>> allocated in low RAM.
>>     
>
> Do you have a preference Kumar?  You're probably going to be the first
> in line to have to deal with any resulting confusion:)
>
> I personally would rank the options:
> 1. OR in an offset to the bss address and leave some good comments in
> the linker script and commit message
>
> 2. Make the bss the last section like other PPC boards which would
> result in the bootpg sometimes being overwritten
>
> 3. Put the bss at an arbitrary address
>   
FWIW, I think an arbitrary address disjoint from the u-boot addresses is 
best. While u-boot is in ROM, you can't use the bss anyway. The bss will 
actually be located at an address selected by the u-boot code itself 
after memory is sized. All references to the bss will be re-located by 
subtracting the arbitrary start address and adding the run-time chosen 
start address. So the linked start address is not important, except that 
is cannot be NULL or it may confuse the relocation code that doesn't 
want to re-locate NULL pointers. Some of the confusion in this 
discussion probably stems from the fact that the linker scripts make the 
bss look like "part of u-boot", when it is really not. It is just a 
chunk of "zero'ed" ram, located anywhere the u-boot code decides to put 
it. An arbitrary strange address would make this more apparent.

Best Regards,
Bill Campbell
> Best,
> Peter
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-06 20:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-05 23:01 [U-Boot] [PATCH 0/2] Make sure 85xx bss doesn't start at 0x0 Peter Tyser
2009-10-05 23:01 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 1/2] 85xx: Preprocess link scripts Peter Tyser
2009-10-06  7:28   ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-06 11:13     ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-05 23:01 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 2/2] 85xx: Ensure BSS segment doesn't start at address 0x0 Peter Tyser
2009-10-06  8:54   ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-06 12:10     ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-06  7:32 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 0/2] Make sure 85xx bss doesn't start at 0x0 Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-06 12:01   ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-06 14:01     ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-06 14:07       ` Kumar Gala
2009-10-06 14:24         ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-06 15:22           ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-06 15:45             ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-06 17:51               ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-06 18:08                 ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-06 20:34                   ` J. William Campbell [this message]
2009-10-06 20:53                     ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-06 22:34                       ` J. William Campbell
2009-10-06 23:10                         ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-06 23:25                           ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-06 23:43                             ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-07  0:09                               ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-07  1:24                                 ` Graeme Russ
2009-10-07  6:55                                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-07  9:56                                     ` Graeme Russ
2009-10-07 10:07                                       ` Graeme Russ
2009-10-07 10:32                                       ` Joakim Tjernlund
2009-10-07 14:37                                         ` J. William Campbell
2009-10-07  6:53                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-07 11:57                                 ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-07 12:19                                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-06 23:07                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-06 23:29                         ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-07  6:51                           ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-06 20:46                   ` Kumar Gala
2009-10-06 21:13                     ` Peter Tyser
2009-10-06 16:53             ` Stefan Roese
2009-10-06 15:04         ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-10-06 15:20           ` Peter Tyser

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