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From: Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud@free.fr>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] ARM relocation, question to Heiko
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:47:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CA8B39D.7000302@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CA8A2E0.7090407@comcast.net>

Le 03/10/2010 17:36, J. William Campbell a ?crit :

> Hi All,
> It is for sure that -fPIC/-fPIE programs will contain more executable
> instructions than programs compiled without these options.
> The program will also contain more data space for the got. If -fPIC
> actually produced a fully position-independent executable, the extra
> overhead would perhaps be tolerable. However, since it does not do this,
> (problems with initialized data etc.) there is really no advantage in
> using these compile-time options. The executable code and required data
> space for the program without these switches will "always" be smaller
> and faster than with them. In order to fix the remaining issues even
> when using -fPIC, a relocation loop must exist in the u-boot code,
> either one global one or a bunch of user written specific ones. Also,
> the -pie switch will be needed anyway at link time to build the
> relocation table for the remaining relocation requirements.
> Programs compiled without -fPIC will have a larger .rel.dyn table than
> those compiled with -fPIC. However, the table entries in the relocation
> table occupy about the same storage as the code generated by the
> compiler to relocate a reference to the symbol at run time. So this is
> probably a almost a wash. Also, the dynamic relocation data need not be
> copied into the run-time object, as it is no longer needed. So the
> likely outcome is that the "flash" image is about the same size/slightly
> larger than the one compiled by -fPIC, and that the ram footprint after
> relocation is slightly smaller.
> If one is REALLY pressed for space, the size of the dynamic relocation
> area can be reduced by a post-processor program that would re-format the
> relocation entries. This re-formatting is possible because 1) ELF is a
> very general format and we only need a small subset of it, and 2) u-boot
> code will never occupy say 16 MB of space, so each relocation can
> probably be compressed into a 32 bit word. I doubt anyone is that
> desperate, but it IS possible.
> It will be interesting to see what the results of this comparison are.
> For me, the no user awareness of relocation is worth a lot, and the fact
> that the difference/overhead of relocation will all be in exactly one
> place is very appealing.
>
> Best Regards,
> Bill Campbell

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the explanations. I am experimenting with ELF relocation 
right now, replacing -fPIe with -pie, and this generates .rel.dyn, but 
also many other sections. I'm trying to get rid of them; apparently 
/DISCARD/ing them in the linker file seems to reduce this to a minimum 
(I still have a .got.plt section which seems useless but I cannot remove 
it lest the linker segfaults).

But the .rel.dyn generated by the linker section does not provide 
symbols to mark its start and end, and I have found no documentation in 
binutils ld which would describe how to rewrite the .rel.dyn section and 
add these symbols myself.

How did you manage that for i386? I did not see a linker file in the 
i386 part of u-boot.

Amicalement,
-- 
Albert.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-03 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-30 13:57 [U-Boot] ARM relocation, probably trivial mistake Reinhard Meyer
2010-09-30 14:08 ` Stefano Babic
2010-09-30 14:20   ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-09-30 15:39     ` Heiko Schocher
2010-09-30 16:06       ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-09-30 15:38 ` Heiko Schocher
2010-09-30 17:43   ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-01  5:25     ` Heiko Schocher
2010-10-01  5:40       ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-01  5:53         ` Heiko Schocher
2010-10-01  6:39           ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-01  6:57             ` Heiko Schocher
2010-10-01  8:45               ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-01  7:01             ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-01  7:42               ` [U-Boot] ARM relocation, probably trivial mistake - back to original problem Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-01  8:27                 ` Heiko Schocher
2010-10-01 10:44                   ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-01 10:55                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-01 11:03                       ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-01 11:21                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-01 11:37                           ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-01 11:59                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-01 12:22                               ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-01 12:47                                 ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-01 12:55                                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-01 14:55                                     ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-02  8:53                                       ` Heiko Schocher
2010-10-01 15:47                                     ` Steve Sakoman
2010-10-02  7:15                                       ` [U-Boot] ARM relocation, question to Heiko Reinhard Meyer
     [not found]                                         ` <4CA6E517.9040701@fr<1286167382.22760.19.camel@ptyser-laptop>
2010-10-02  7:53                                         ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-02  8:10                                           ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-02  8:26                                             ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-03 18:04                                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-02  9:08                                             ` Heiko Schocher
2010-10-02  9:29                                               ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-03 18:05                                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-02 10:17                                               ` Joakim Tjernlund
2010-10-02 16:21                                                 ` J. William Campbell
2010-10-02 18:33                                                   ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-03 18:22                                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-02 20:39                                                   ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-02 21:09                                                     ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-02 23:07                                                       ` Graeme Russ
2010-10-03  7:10                                                         ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-03  8:44                                                           ` Graeme Russ
2010-10-03  8:58                                                             ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-03 15:36                                                               ` J. William Campbell
2010-10-03 16:47                                                                 ` Albert ARIBAUD [this message]
2010-10-03 17:54                                                                   ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-03 18:43                                                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-04  5:41                                                       ` Heiko Schocher
2010-10-03 18:29                                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-03 19:26                                                       ` J. William Campbell
2010-10-04  5:52                                                       ` Heiko Schocher
2010-10-03 18:14                                                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-03 18:54                                                     ` J. William Campbell
2010-10-03 19:52                                                       ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-03 18:03                                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-03 18:34                                               ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-03 18:45                                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-04  6:08                                                 ` Heiko Schocher
2010-10-04  6:40                                                   ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-04  7:27                                                     ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-04  8:28                                                       ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-04  8:57                                                         ` Heiko Schocher
2010-10-04  9:27                                                           ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-04 10:01                                                             ` Joakim Tjernlund
2010-10-04  9:58                                                         ` Graeme Russ
2010-10-04 14:17                                                           ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-04 14:25                                                             ` Rogan Dawes
2010-10-04 15:24                                                               ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-04 16:31                                                                 ` Stefan Roese
2010-10-04 21:31                                                                   ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-04  7:44                                                     ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-04  4:43                                               ` Peter Tyser
2010-10-04  6:08                                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-04  7:36                                                 ` Joakim Tjernlund
2010-10-04  8:08                                                   ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-04  8:28                                                     ` Joakim Tjernlund
2010-10-04  8:33                                                       ` Albert ARIBAUD
     [not found]                                                         ` <OF05779DA1.EF3C4954-ONC12577B2.00307A0D-C12577B2.0030B9C0@tran <4CAA1613.80002@comcast.net>
2010-10-04  8:52                                                         ` Joakim Tjernlund
2010-10-04  9:10                                                           ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-04 10:13                                                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-04 15:28                                                               ` J. William Campbell
2010-10-04 15:52                                                                 ` Albert ARIBAUD
2010-10-04 17:06                                                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-04 17:59                                                                   ` J. William Campbell
2010-10-04 18:43                                                                     ` Joakim Tjernlund
2010-10-04 21:10                                                                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-05  7:26                                                                         ` Joakim Tjernlund
2010-10-04 17:04                                                               ` Graeme Russ
2010-10-04 17:14                                                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-04  8:27                                                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-02  8:49                                     ` [U-Boot] ARM relocation, probably trivial mistake - back to original problem Heiko Schocher
2010-10-01 12:49                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-01 14:48                                   ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-04  7:44                                     ` [U-Boot] AT91 clock and timer cleanups (was: ARM relocation, probably trivial mistake - back to original problem) Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-04  8:32                                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-04  8:42                                         ` [U-Boot] AT91 clock and timer cleanups Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-04  8:49                                           ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-04  8:52                                             ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-04  9:03                                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-04  9:12                                                 ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-04 14:58                                                   ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-04 17:00                                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-04 17:15                                                       ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-04 17:32                                                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-04 19:22                                                           ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-01  8:48                 ` [U-Boot] ARM relocation, probably trivial mistake - back to original problem Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-01  9:50                   ` Reinhard Meyer
2010-10-01  8:03             ` [U-Boot] ARM relocation, probably trivial mistake Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-01  7:51           ` Wolfgang Denk
2010-10-01  8:28             ` Heiko Schocher

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