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From: Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud@free.fr>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [RFC][PATCH] ARMV7: Patch to fix	hard	float	build	issues
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:18:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D5FDF51.5080508@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yw1xy65c3xfi.fsf@unicorn.mansr.com>

Le 19/02/2011 15:34, M?ns Rullg?rd a ?crit :
> Albert ARIBAUD<albert.aribaud@free.fr>  writes:
>
>> Le 19/02/2011 15:06, Alexander Holler a ?crit :
>>> Am 19.02.2011 14:51, schrieb Albert ARIBAUD:
>>>> Le 19/02/2011 14:25, M?ns Rullg?rd a ?crit :
>>>>
>>>>>> So whats the reasoning to use -msoft-float as it is currently done? To
>>>>>> confuse people? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess it's there to make sure no floating-point instructions make it
>>>>> into u-boot, even though floats are not used in the code. Perhaps
>>>>> someone was paranoid.
>>>>
>>>> I think also that there is no choice but to have a float option for ARM
>>>> C, either 'soft' or 'hard' (or 'softfp', actually, which is 'hard' with
>>>> the 'soft' calling conventions), because the C compiler does not allow
>>>> 'no floats', and anyway the C language *requires* to have some sort of
>>>> float support.
>>>
>>> As it is on every platform.
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>>>> Actually if you don't specify any float option, the C toolchain will
>>>> choose one, which is just the same in the end: *some* float option is
>>>> chosen.
>>>
>>> Every compiler has dozens of options which are set to a default value.
>>
>> Granted. But not all of them relate to hardware which may or may not be
>> available.
>>
>>>> And since some option must be chosen, I prefer that U-Boot make the
>>>> explicit decision, and choose soft float for the reasons I already
>>>> exposed.
>>>
>>> I don't see any reason to explicitly set an option for something which
>>> isn't used, but I know of many reasons to avoid such. ;)
>>
>> At least there is one reason for having -msoft-float even though no
>> floating point should be used in U-Boot : it helps catching cases where
>> some code in U-Boot tries to use hard float. :)
>
> There is one further complication here.  If the compiler was built with
> -mfpu=neon as default, it might emit neon instructions for pure integer
> code.  For the purpose of this discussion, such instructions should
> still be regarded as floating-point since they are tied to the VFP.
> Such code generation is disabled by -msoft-float.

Thanks for indicating this. If I paraphrase this correctly, some 
toochains would generate floating instructions for integer if both 
-mfloat-abi=hard and -fmpu=neon were specified or were the default.

I don't see this as a worrying matter though, because I suspect that 
toolchains that have -mfpu=neon will have -mfloat-abi=hard as well and 
target cpus that have hw floating point capabilities, where such float 
instructions would cause no problem.

And it is not as if the C code used floats.

Besides, so far I have seen no complaint that -msoft-float disabling 
-mfpu=neon causes any problem with U-Boot, so I suspect no board 
requires it now.

Amicalement,
-- 
Albert.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-19 15:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-18 15:16 [U-Boot] [RFC][PATCH] ARMV7: Patch to fix hard float build issues Raghuveer Murthy
2011-02-18 17:01 ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-02-18 21:11   ` Alexander Holler
2011-02-19 11:19   ` Måns Rullgård
2011-02-19 13:19     ` Alexander Holler
2011-02-19 13:25       ` Måns Rullgård
2011-02-19 13:51         ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-02-19 14:06           ` Alexander Holler
2011-02-19 14:27             ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-02-19 14:34               ` Måns Rullgård
2011-02-19 15:18                 ` Albert ARIBAUD [this message]
2011-02-19 18:36                   ` Måns Rullgård
2011-02-19 19:37                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-02-19 14:39               ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                 ` <4D5FE29A.6050609@free.fr>
2011-02-19 15:40                   ` Alexander Holler
2011-02-19 15:59                     ` [U-Boot] reasons for armv5 as default Alexander Holler
2011-02-19 17:48                       ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-02-20  2:20                         ` Alexander Holler
2011-02-19 19:46                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-02-19 19:39                     ` [U-Boot] [RFC][PATCH] ARMV7: Patch to fix hard float build issues Wolfgang Denk
2011-02-19 19:33             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-02-19 19:32           ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-02-19 19:26         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-02-18 22:41 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-02-19 19:55 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-02-21 10:36   ` Raghuveer Murthy

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