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From: Graeme Russ <graeme.russ@gmail.com>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [RFC] Review of U-Boot timer API
Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:06:13 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DD85375.6080502@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DD7DB64.70605@comcast.net>

On 22/05/11 01:33, J. William Campbell wrote:
> On 5/21/2011 5:38 AM, Graeme Russ wrote:
>> Hi All,

>> 4. Implement microsecond API - get_usec_timer()
>> -----------------------------------------------
>>   - Useful for profiling
>>   - A 32-bit microsecond counter wraps in 71 minutes - Probably OK for most
>>     U-Boot usage scenarios
>>   - By default could return get_timer() * 1000 if hardware does not support
>>     microsecond accuracy - Beware of results>  32 bits!
> Hi All,
>       I think the multiply overflowing an unsigned long is ok here as long
> as the timeout value you desire is less than 71 seconds. This assumes that
> the CPU returns the correct lower 32 bits when overflow occurs, but I think
> this is the "normal" behavior(?)

I think you mean 71 minutes - 2^32 = 4294967296 (usec) = 4294967.296 (msec)
= 4294.967296 s = 71.582788267 minutes

So provided any millisecond timer using a 32-bit microsecond timer as a
time base is called every 71 minutes, a 32-bit microsecond  timer should
suffice to keep the msb's accurately maintained by software

>>   - If hardware supports microsecond resolution counters, get_timer() could
>>     simply use get_usec_timer() / 1000
>        I think this actually is NOT equivalent to the "current" API  in
> that the full 32 bits of the timer is not available and as a result the
> "wrapping" properties of a 32 bit subtract for delta times will not work
> properly. If a "larger"  counter is available in hardware, then it is
> certainly possible to do a 64 by 32 bit divide in get_timer, but probably
> you don't want to do that  either. As previously discussed, it is possible
> to extract a 32 bit monotonic counter of given resolution (microsecond or
> millisecond resolution) from a higher resolution counter using a shift to
> "approximately" the desired resolution followed by a couple of multiply/add
> functions of 32 bit resolution.  To do this with a microsecond resolution,
> a 42 bit or larger timer is required. The "extra" bits can be provided in

Of course, how silly of me - To downscale the microsecond timer down to
milliseconds you need to have at least 1000 times more resolution
(9.965784285 bits) - It was late ;)

> software as long as the get_timer/get_usec_timer routines are called more
> often than every 71/2 sec, so that a correct delta in microseconds can be
> obtained. Note that when the timer is not actively in use (not  called
> often enough), the millisecond timer msb would stop updating, but that
> wouldn't matter.

Minutes - see above

>        If the hardware supports sub-microsecond accuracy in a "longer"
> register, say 64 bits, you can just convert the 64 bit hardware timer to 32
> bit microseconds or milliseconds by a shift  and 32 bit multiplies

Yes

> 
>       Good luck with this effort. I think getting the timer API and also
> the method of implementation of the interface to the hardware to be the
> same across all u-boot architectures is a very good idea, and it is
> possible. However, it is a quite a bit of work and I am glad you are brave
> enough to try!

It's all there already - it just needs a little bit of housekeeping :)

Regards,

Graeme

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-22  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-21 12:38 [U-Boot] [RFC] Review of U-Boot timer API Graeme Russ
     [not found] ` <4DD7DB64.70605@comcast.net>
2011-05-22  0:06   ` Graeme Russ [this message]
2011-05-22  0:43     ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-22  4:26 ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-22  6:23   ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-22  7:21     ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-22  7:44       ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-22  8:15       ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-23  0:02         ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23  0:20           ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23  0:14         ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23  1:00           ` Graeme Russ
     [not found]             ` <4DD9B608.7080307@comcast.net>
2011-05-23  1:42               ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23  5:02                 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23  5:25                   ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23  6:29                     ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-05-23 10:53                       ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23 16:22                       ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 12:09                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-23 12:29                   ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23 13:19                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-23 17:30                       ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 18:24                         ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-05-23 19:18                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-23 18:27                       ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 19:33                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-23 20:26                           ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 21:51                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-23 20:48                       ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23  3:26           ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-23  5:20             ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-22  6:57   ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 12:13     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24  3:42 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-05-24  4:07 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-24  4:24   ` Mike Frysinger
2011-05-24  4:35     ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-24  5:31       ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-24  5:43         ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-24  6:11           ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-05-24  7:10             ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-24 14:15               ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 14:12             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 15:23               ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-24 19:09                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 13:29           ` Scott McNutt
2011-05-24 14:19             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 16:51               ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-24 18:59                 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-24 19:31                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 19:19                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 22:32                   ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-25  5:17                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 16:50                       ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-25 19:56                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25  0:17                   ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25  2:53                     ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-25  3:21                       ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25  5:28                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25  6:06                         ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25  8:08                           ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25  8:38                             ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 11:37                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 11:52                                 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 12:26                                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 12:42                                     ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 12:59                                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 13:14                                         ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 13:38                                           ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 21:11                                             ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 21:16                                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 23:13                                                 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26  0:15                                                   ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-26  0:33                                                     ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26  4:19                                                   ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-26  4:40                                                     ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26  5:03                                                       ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-26  5:16                                                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-26  5:25                                                           ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26  5:55                                                             ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-05-26  6:18                                                               ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26  6:36                                                               ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-26  8:48                                                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-26  9:02                                                               ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26  4:54                                                     ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-25  5:25                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25  6:02                       ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25  8:06                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25  8:26                           ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 11:32                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 11:53                               ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 12:27                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 12:36                 ` Scott McNutt
2011-05-25 12:43                   ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 13:08                     ` Scott McNutt
2011-05-25 13:16                       ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 13:46                         ` Scott McNutt
2011-05-25 14:21                           ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 19:46                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 20:40                               ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-25 20:48                                 ` Wolfgang Denk

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