From: J. William Campbell <jwilliamcampbell@comcast.net>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [RFC] Review of U-Boot timer API
Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 22:20:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DD9EEA3.1030908@comcast.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DD9D3CF.2070600@emk-elektronik.de>
On 5/22/2011 8:26 PM, Reinhard Meyer wrote:
> Dear J. William Campbell,
>> On 5/22/2011 1:15 AM, Reinhard Meyer wrote:
>>> Dear J. William Campbell,
>>>
>>> please demonstrate for me (and others), by a practical example,
>>> how _any_ arithmetic (even less with just shifts and multiplies)
>>> can convert a free running 3.576 MHz (wild example) free running
>>> 32 bit counter (maybe software extended to 64 bits) into a ms
>>> value that will properly wrap from 2**32-1 to 0 ?
>> Hi All
>> I accept the challenge! I will present two ways to do this, one using
>> a 32 bit by 16 bit divide, and one using only multiplies.
>> This first method is "exact", in that there is no difference in
>> performance from a "hardware" counter ticking at the 1 ms rate. This
>> is accomplished by operating the 1 ms counter based on the delta time
>> in the hardware time base. It is necessary to call this routine often
>> enough that the hardware counter does not wrap more than once between
>> calls. This is not really a problem, as this time is 1201 seconds or
>> so. If the routine is not called for a long time, or at the first
>> call, it will return a timer_in_ms value that will work for all
>> subsequent calls that are within a hardware rollover interval. Since
>> the timer in ms is a 32 bit number anyway. The same rollover issue
>> will exist if you "software extend" the timer to 64 bits. You must
>> assume 1 rollover. If it is more than 1, the timer is wrong.
>>
>>
>> The variables in the gd are
>> u32 prev_timer;
>> u32 timer_in_ms;
>> u16 timer_remainder;
>>
>> /* gd->timer remainder must be initialized to 0 (actually, an number
>> less than 3576, but 0 is nice). Other two variables don't matter but
>> can be initialized if desired */
>>
>> u32 get_raw_ms()
>> {
>> u32 delta;
>> u32 t_save;
>>
>> read(t_save); /* atomic read of the hardware 32 bit timer running at
>> 3.576 MHz */
>> delta_t = (t_save - gd->prev_timer) ;
>>
>> gd->prev_timer = t_save;
>> /*
>> Hopefully, the following two lines only results in one hardware
>> divide when optimized. If your CPU has no hardware divide, or if it
>> slow, see second method .
>> */
>> gd->timer_in_ms += delta_t / 3576; /* convert elapsed time to ms */
>> gd->timer_remainder += delta_t % 3576; /* add in remaining part not
>> included above */
>> if (gd->timer_remainder >= 3576) /* a carry has been detected */
>> {
>> ++gd->timer_in_ms;
>> gd->timer_remainder -= 3576; /* fix remainder for the carry above */
>> }
>>
>> return(gd->timer_in_ms)
>> }
>
> Thank you! Basically this is similar to a Bresenham Algorithm.
Hi All,
Yes, I think you are correct. I didn't know it by that name, but
i think you are correct. It is a bit different use of the idea, but it
is very similar.
>
>>
>> This approach works well when the number of ticks per ms is an exact
>> number representable as a small integer, as it is in this case. It is
>> exact with a clock rate of 600 MHz, but is not exact for a clock rate
>> of 666 MHz. 666667 is not an exact estimate of ticks per ms, It is
>> off by 0.00005 % That should be acceptable for use as a timeout
>> delay. The accumulated error in a 10 second delay should be less than
>> 0.5 ms.
>
> I would think the non exact cases result in such a small error that
> can be
> tolerated. We are using the ms tick for timeouts, not for providing a
> clock
> or exact delays. We should just round up when calculating the divider.
Yes, we should round off the divider value, so 666.6666666666 MHz rounds
to 666667 ticks/Ms while 333.3333333333 MHz rounds to 333333 ticks/Ms.
>
> Hence the hick-ups that result when this is not called frequent enough to
> prevent a multiple rollover of the raw value between calls do not matter
> either (they should be just documented).
Good, I am glad we agree on this also.
>
>>
>> There is a way that the divide above can be approximated by
>> multiplying by an appropriate fraction, taking the resulting delta t
>> in ms, multiplying it by 3576, and subtracting the product from the
>> original delta to get the remainder. This is the way to go if your
>> CPU divides slowly or not at all. This approach is presented below.
>>
> [...]
>
> Optimizations would be up to the implementer of such a hardware and work
> only if the divider is a compile time constant. Often the divider will be
> run time determined (AT91 for example).
Correct. I will provide a "generic" version that computes the constants
at run time. If the clock rate is a constant, these routines can be
overridden at compile/link time. This generic version should be
available on Monday for further review.
Best Regards,
Bill Campbell
>
> Reinhard
>
>
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Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-21 12:38 [U-Boot] [RFC] Review of U-Boot timer API Graeme Russ
[not found] ` <4DD7DB64.70605@comcast.net>
2011-05-22 0:06 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-22 0:43 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-22 4:26 ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-22 6:23 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-22 7:21 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-22 7:44 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-22 8:15 ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-23 0:02 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23 0:20 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 0:14 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 1:00 ` Graeme Russ
[not found] ` <4DD9B608.7080307@comcast.net>
2011-05-23 1:42 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23 5:02 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 5:25 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23 6:29 ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-05-23 10:53 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23 16:22 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 12:09 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-23 12:29 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23 13:19 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-23 17:30 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 18:24 ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-05-23 19:18 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-23 18:27 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 19:33 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-23 20:26 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 21:51 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-23 20:48 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-23 3:26 ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-23 5:20 ` J. William Campbell [this message]
2011-05-22 6:57 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-23 12:13 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 3:42 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-05-24 4:07 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-24 4:24 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-05-24 4:35 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-24 5:31 ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-24 5:43 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-24 6:11 ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-05-24 7:10 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-24 14:15 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 14:12 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 15:23 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-24 19:09 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 13:29 ` Scott McNutt
2011-05-24 14:19 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 16:51 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-24 18:59 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-24 19:31 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 19:19 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-24 22:32 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-25 5:17 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 16:50 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-25 19:56 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 0:17 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 2:53 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-25 3:21 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 5:28 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 6:06 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 8:08 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 8:38 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 11:37 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 11:52 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 12:26 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 12:42 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 12:59 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 13:14 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 13:38 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 21:11 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 21:16 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 23:13 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26 0:15 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-26 0:33 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26 4:19 ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-26 4:40 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26 5:03 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-26 5:16 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-26 5:25 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26 5:55 ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-05-26 6:18 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26 6:36 ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-26 8:48 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-26 9:02 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26 4:54 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-25 5:25 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 6:02 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 8:06 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 8:26 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 11:32 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 11:53 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 12:27 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 12:36 ` Scott McNutt
2011-05-25 12:43 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 13:08 ` Scott McNutt
2011-05-25 13:16 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 13:46 ` Scott McNutt
2011-05-25 14:21 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-25 19:46 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-25 20:40 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-25 20:48 ` Wolfgang Denk
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