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From: Reinhard Meyer <u-boot@emk-elektronik.de>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [RFC][Timer API] Revised Specification - Implementation details
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 06:36:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DE47046.3010703@emk-elektronik.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinUq3ANe-iqReq9aLBsmSOW4NJh1g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Graeme Russ,

> Hi Reinhard,
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Reinhard Meyer
> <u-boot@emk-elektronik.de>  wrote:
>> Dear Graeme Russ,
>>>
>>> Hi Reinhard,
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Reinhard Meyer
>>> <u-boot@emk-elektronik.de>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear ALL,
>>>>
>>>> it still escapes me why everyone tries to make things so complicated
>>>> INSIDE the loop.
>>>>
>>>> Why not just define an API like this:
>>>>
>>>> u32 timeout = make_timeout(5); /* minimum 5 millisecond timeout */
>>>> u32 start = get_timer();
>>>>
>>>> while ((get_timer() - start)<    timeout)
>>>>     ...
>>>
>>> The would work if we typedef'd 'timeout'. Otherwise, one runs the risk of
>>> not calling make_timeout() and assuming get_timer() always has a 1ms
>>> resolution
>>
>> If you think people cannot follow API conventions, then typedef it...
>>
>>>
>>>> make_timeout() can be arch/soc/platform specific and take into account to
>>>> return at least
>
> Actually, make_timeout() would not need to be platform specific - All it
> needs is a get_min_ms_resolution() which wuld be a simple inline usually
> returning a const so the compiler would optimise it away
>
>>>> such a value that the timeout is never cut short. (In case of a 10 ms
>>>> NIOS timer,
>>>> make_timeout(5) would have to return the value 20, resulting in a real
>>>> timeout of at least
>>>> 10 ms but upto 20 ms )
>>>
>>> What about this:
>>>
>>>         u32 start = get_timer();
>>>
>>>         while (!timer_expired(start, timeout))
>>>                 ...
>>
>> Again.. why put the complicated calculations INSIDE the loop?
>
> Well, the calculations are hidden from the user, and we aren't running a
> high performance system. Also, the most complex calculations will be
> performed each time you call get_timer() anyway. The additional overhead
> of performing a precision rounding will be insignificant
>
> Best to make the API as defensive as possible rather than try to trim off
> a few CPU instructions per loop.

Excuse me, but THIS API does not prevent the user to do a
"(get_timer() - start) < timeout" inside the loop, making your argument moot.
But as I said before, it escapes me why by all means the loop must be more complicated
and obscure (on the user side) then essentially necessary...

Regards,

Reinhard

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-31  4:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-26 13:27 [U-Boot] [RFC][Timer API] Revised Specification - Implementation details Graeme Russ
2011-05-26 15:57 ` Simon Glass
2011-05-26 17:28   ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-26 22:44     ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27  5:23       ` Simon Glass
2011-05-27  7:40         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-27 14:46           ` Simon Glass
2011-05-26 16:56 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-26 17:53   ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-26 18:52     ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-26 19:16       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-26 19:54         ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-26 20:27           ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-26 20:39             ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-26 22:59       ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-26 23:28   ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27  1:26     ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-27  1:51       ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27  3:54         ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-27  4:33           ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27  6:33             ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-27  6:54               ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27 15:49                 ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-28  0:32                   ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27  7:33           ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-27 14:16             ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-27  7:28       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-27 14:04         ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-27  7:13     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-27  7:35       ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27  7:48         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-27  7:57           ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27  8:01             ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27 11:27               ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-27 12:43                 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27 13:07                   ` Scott McNutt
2011-05-27 15:00                     ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-27 15:13                       ` Simon Glass
2011-05-27 17:11                         ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-27 15:44                       ` Scott McNutt
2011-05-27 15:59                         ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-29 15:55                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-29 19:12                       ` Simon Glass
2011-05-30 10:57                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-30 11:47                           ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-30 12:31                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-30 12:46                               ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-30 18:57                           ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-31  0:24                             ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-31  4:07                               ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-31  4:24                                 ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-31  4:36                                   ` Reinhard Meyer [this message]
2011-05-31  4:53                                     ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-31  5:56                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-31  4:45                               ` Simon Glass
2011-05-31  4:53                                 ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-31  5:03                                   ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-31  5:16                                     ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-31  6:03                                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-31  6:23                                       ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-31  5:18                                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-31  5:37                                     ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-31  6:10                                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-31  4:56                           ` Simon Glass
2011-05-31  5:49                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-31  6:28                               ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-31  6:29                                 ` Graeme Russ
2011-06-15 13:17                           ` Graeme Russ
2011-06-15 16:03                             ` Simon Glass
2011-06-15 20:38                               ` Graeme Russ
2011-06-15 21:58                                 ` Simon Glass
2011-06-15 23:09                                   ` Graeme Russ
2011-06-16  5:53                                     ` Simon Glass
2011-06-16  6:27                                       ` Graeme Russ
2011-06-16 13:58                                         ` Simon Glass
2011-05-27 11:26             ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-27 14:23         ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-28  5:53           ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-28  6:18             ` Reinhard Meyer
2011-05-28  8:59               ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-29  1:41             ` J. William Campbell
2011-05-26 17:49 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-26 22:51   ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27  7:17     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-27  7:33       ` Graeme Russ
2011-05-27  7:45         ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-05-27 14:58           ` Simon Glass

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