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From: Albert ARIBAUD <albert.u.boot@aribaud.net>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [PATCH 0/4] Buffer overruns in printf
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 10:40:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E7EE910.8090504@aribaud.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPnjgZ23C8HtVd702e7hhnBv0F+C4tUkEHycKg1_VEviYVvBMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Le 24/09/2011 16:00, Simon Glass a ?crit :

>> So basically the choice is between:
>>
>> - adding code to the printf() family to try and fix an issue that it is
>> fundamentally unable to properly fix, and for which a solution exists, or
>>
>> - grepping and fixing calls to *sprintf() in U-Boot that do not respect the
>> known contraints of printf(), by resizing the buffer or calling *snprintf()
>> instead.
>>
>> I am definitely not in favor of the first option concerning U-Boot.
>
> Sounds fine to me. So I think we need the nprintf() variants in there,
> but the message is not to use them willy nilly. Going back to my patch
> series, 3/4 is ok, but 4/4 mostly crosses the line. Do I have that
> right?

It is the exact opposite for me : 3/4 makes all printf functions work 
like some kind of *nprintf(), while 4/4 is about the network code 
switching to *nprintf() for safety, so 3/4 would be nak and 4/4 ack as 
far as I am concerned.

Basically, printf family functions which do not have the 'n' are *know* 
by all -- experienced enough :) -- programmers to be *unsafe* (but to 
require less from the caller) and it should remain so: no programmer 
should ever encounter an implementation of printf that pretends to be 
even somewhat safe, because it might bite him/her elsewhere, in another 
project based on another C library where printf is just the beartrap it 
usually is.

IOW, programmers already have assumptions about *printf(), including how 
to deal with length limitations and what happens if you don't, and it is 
best that these assumption remain true whatever project they work with.

> By the way, printf() ends up calling the same code, but without limit
> checking in place. The alternative is to duplicate all the format
> string processing code (a limit-checking version and an unchecked
> version) which would be worse.

I don't intend to dictate the way things can be implemented, so the 
degree of code reuse is an open question as far as I am concerned. I am 
only voicing my opinion that *printf() APIs and their contracts should 
remain identical across all implementations of *printf(), and thus that 
providing *nprintf() where they don't exist is commandable, but 
hardening printf() is not, since you basically cannot do it without 
somewhat departing from the de facto standard.

> Regards,
> Simon

Amicalement,
-- 
Albert.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-25  8:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-23 17:38 [U-Boot] [PATCH 0/4] Buffer overruns in printf Simon Glass
2011-09-23 17:38 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 1/4] Add limits.h to hold basic limits Simon Glass
2011-09-23 17:38 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 2/4] Add safe vsnprintf and snprintf library functions Simon Glass
2011-09-23 23:56   ` Graeme Russ
2011-09-28 23:26     ` Sonny Rao
2011-09-29  0:00       ` Graeme Russ
2011-09-29  0:38         ` Sonny Rao
2011-09-29  0:44           ` Graeme Russ
2011-09-23 17:38 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 3/4] Make printf and vprintf safe from buffer overruns Simon Glass
2011-09-23 18:36   ` Kumar Gala
2011-09-23 18:48     ` Simon Glass
2011-09-23 20:31   ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-23 20:41     ` Simon Glass
2011-09-23 22:36       ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-23 23:06         ` Simon Glass
2011-09-25 20:16           ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-09-25 20:14       ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-09-26 18:25         ` Simon Glass
2011-09-26 18:47           ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-09-26 19:02             ` Simon Glass
2011-09-23 17:38 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 4/4] Use snprintf() in network code Simon Glass
2011-09-23 18:15   ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-23 18:30     ` Simon Glass
2011-09-23 20:09       ` Mike Frysinger
2011-09-23 20:39         ` Simon Glass
2011-09-23 20:40 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 0/4] Buffer overruns in printf Albert ARIBAUD
2011-09-23 20:46   ` Simon Glass
2011-09-24  9:37     ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-09-24 14:00       ` Simon Glass
2011-09-25  8:40         ` Albert ARIBAUD [this message]
2011-09-25 14:50           ` Simon Glass
2011-09-26 11:20             ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-09-26 17:50               ` Simon Glass
2011-09-26 18:36                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-09-26 22:28               ` Scott Wood
2011-09-27  6:52                 ` Albert ARIBAUD
2011-10-10 19:06                   ` Simon Glass
2011-10-10 20:36                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-10-10 20:42                       ` Simon Glass
2011-09-25 20:04 ` Wolfgang Denk
2011-09-26 17:30   ` Simon Glass

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