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From: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [PATCH 01/14] dm: Initial import of design documents
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:11:00 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5022B9C4.5080107@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201208082037.45547.marex@denx.de>

On 08/08/2012 12:37 PM, Marek Vasut wrote:
> Dear Stephen Warren,
> 
>> On 08/08/2012 05:42 AM, Marek Vasut wrote:
>>> From: Marek Vasut <marek.vasut@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> This patch contains UDM-design.txt, which is document containing
>>> general description of the driver model. The remaining files contains
>>> descriptions of conversion process of particular subsystems.
>>>
>>> diff --git a/doc/driver-model/UDM-design.txt
>>> b/doc/driver-model/UDM-design.txt
>>>
>>> +II) Driver core initialization stages
>>> +-------------------------------------
>>> +
>>> +The drivers have to be initialized in two stages, since the U-Boot
>>> bootloader +runs in two stages itself. The first stage is the one which
>>> is executed before +the bootloader itself is relocated. The second stage
>>> then happens after +relocation.
>>> +
>>> +  1) First stage
>>> +  --------------
>>> +
>>> +  The first stage runs after the bootloader did very basic hardware
>>> init. This +  means the stack pointer was configured, caches disabled
>>> and that's about it. +  The problem with this part is the memory
>>> management isn't running at all. To +  make things even worse, at this
>>> point, the RAM is still likely uninitialized +  and therefore
>>> unavailable.
>>> +
>>> +  2) Second stage
>>> +  ---------------
>>> +
>>> +  At this stage, the bootloader has initialized RAM and is running from
>>> it's +  final location. Dynamic memory allocations are working at this
>>> point. Most of +  the driver initialization is executed here.
>>
>> Given the above descriptions of the two stages, ...
>>
>>> +III) The drivers
>>> +----------------
>>> +
>>> +  1) The structure of a driver
>>> +  ----------------------------
>>> +
>>> +  The driver will contain a structure located in a separate section,
>>> which +  will allow linker to create a list of compiled-in drivers at
>>> compile time. +  Let's call this list "driver_list".
>>> +
>>> +  struct driver __attribute__((section(driver_list))) {
>>> +    /* The name of the driver */
>>> +    char		name[STATIC_CONFIG_DRIVER_NAME_LENGTH];
>>> +
>>> +    /*
>>> +     * This function should connect this driver with cores it depends on
>>> and +     * with other drivers, likely bus drivers
>>> +     */
>>> +    int			(*bind)(struct instance *i);
>>
>> ... the comments here should probably say which stage each function will
>> be run at.
> 
> The drivers must be agnostic to where they're executed
> 
>>> +
>>> +    /* This function actually initializes the hardware. */
>>> +    int			(*probe)(struct instance *i);
>>> +
>>> +    /*
>>> +     * The function of the driver called when U-Boot finished
>>> relocation. +     * This is particularly important to eg. move pointers
>>> to DMA buffers +     * and such from the location before relocation to
>>> their final location. +     */
>>> +    int			(*reloc)(struct instance *i);
>>
>> The need for this function implies that some other functions (both bind
>> and probe?) are to be called before relocation.
> 
> They can be called after reloc too.
> 
>> Isn't the pre-relocation
>> environment rather strict
> 
> Yes

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the exact definition of the stages, but isn't
the pre-relocation stage restricted by e.g. a lack of ability to access
global data, so you have to store everything in the "gd" global data
pointer, or something like that? If that's not the case, perhaps
explicitly spelling out which restrictions do/don't exist in the
definition of the stages above would be helpful to prevent anyone else
reading them the wrong way.

>> and hence this will require a bunch of
>> changes to driver code to initialize differently?
> 
> No

If what I said is above, that's certainly not true of most driver
initialization code today, so migrating to an environment where global
data wasn't allowed would require changes, wouldn't it?

>> Why not just
>> initialize everything after relocation; IIRC, that's how most things are
>> initialized now, isn't it?
> 
> You want eg. i2c bus running before relocation to init your DRAM controller. Or 
> serial console for debug output.
> 
>> Related, if you're intending to allow drivers to be loaded from e.g. the
>> filesystem later
> 
> Not now, but we keep that in mind. Btw. (!) we're writing a bootloader here, not 
> an operating system.

Sure. I was surprised when you wrote about that feature, but my comment
was triggered by your patch series explicitly mentioning loading drivers
at run-time.

>> that will happen after relocation. There will then be
>> a discrepancy between the environment where bind/probe get run for a
>> built-in driver vs. a dynamically loaded driver.
> 
> Will there?

Yes. If bind/probe are called early, then they can't use certain
features like dynamic memory allocation. If they're called late, then
those features are available. Now perhaps you can decide to disallow
their use anyway so that the code doesn't care, but that would require
careful enforcement through either detailed code review, or perhaps
forcing affected functions to be stored in a particular linker section
and checking for symbol references outside that section (e.g. like
__init in the Linux kernel).

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-08 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-08 11:42 [U-Boot] [PATCH 01/14] dm: Initial import of design documents Marek Vasut
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 02/14] dm: Add Driver cores design document Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:00   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 03/14] dm: Add GPIO API transition document Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:01   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 04/14] dm: Add MMC subsystem analysis Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:01   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 05/14] dm: Add networking " Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:01   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 06/14] dm: Add SPI API transition document Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:01   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 07/14] dm: Add block device document Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:02   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 08/14] dm: Add POWER API transition document Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:02   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 09/14] dm: Hwmon UDM subsystem analysis added Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:02   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 10/14] dm: Driver model analysis document for Watchdog subsystem has been added Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:02   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 11/14] dm: add PCI design document Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:02   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 12/14] dm: Add pcmcia " Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:02   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 13/14] dm: RTC subsystem analysis added Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:02   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 11:42 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 14/14] dm: Add twserial device document Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:03   ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-08-08 18:20 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 01/14] dm: Initial import of design documents Stephen Warren
2012-08-08 18:37   ` Marek Vasut
2012-08-08 19:11     ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2012-08-08 19:19       ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 16:00 ` Wolfgang Denk
2012-09-02 16:31   ` Vikram Narayanan
2012-09-02 16:49     ` Marek Vasut
2012-09-02 20:29     ` Wolfgang Denk

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