[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[Donald Dade]

Hi All,

Is there are U-Boot equivalent of the kernel-newbies list, where one can
ask stupid questions about u-boot?

Thanks,

Donald

[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[David Nelson]

On Aug 12, 2014 12:36 AM, "Donald Dade" <donald.dade@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is there are U-Boot equivalent of the kernel-newbies list, where one can
> ask stupid questions about u-boot?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Donald
>
> _______________________________________________
> U-Boot mailing list
> U-Boot at lists.denx.de
> http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
>
I find myself often wondering the same. Its a shame there isnt a #include
<U-boot_understanding>
For the human brain....

But that would be too easy. Seconding the notion of perhaps a 'noob'-list.

Regards,
David Nelson.
Software Engineer/Reverser

[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, David Nelson wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 01:14:55 -0600
> From: David Nelson <djhenjin1@gmail.com>
> To: Donald Dade <donald.dade@gmail.com>, u-boot at lists.denx.de
> Subject: Re: [U-Boot] Newbies list?
> 
> On Aug 12, 2014 12:36 AM, "Donald Dade" <donald.dade@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Is there are U-Boot equivalent of the kernel-newbies list, where one can
>> ask stupid questions about u-boot?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Donald
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> U-Boot mailing list
>> U-Boot at lists.denx.de
>> http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
>>
> I find myself often wondering the same. Its a shame there isnt a #include
> <U-boot_understanding>
> For the human brain....
>
> But that would be too easy. Seconding the notion of perhaps a 'noob'-list.
>
> Regards,
> David Nelson.
> Software Engineer/Reverser
>

+1

It would be good to have a development *discussion* list, as opposed to 
the current patch-oriented list.

  - yba


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[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[Igor Grinberg]

On 08/12/14 14:35, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, David Nelson wrote:
> 
>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 01:14:55 -0600
>> From: David Nelson <djhenjin1@gmail.com>
>> To: Donald Dade <donald.dade@gmail.com>, u-boot at lists.denx.de
>> Subject: Re: [U-Boot] Newbies list?
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2014 12:36 AM, "Donald Dade" <donald.dade@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Is there are U-Boot equivalent of the kernel-newbies list, where one can
>>> ask stupid questions about u-boot?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Donald
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> U-Boot mailing list
>>> U-Boot at lists.denx.de
>>> http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
>>>
>> I find myself often wondering the same. Its a shame there isnt a #include
>> <U-boot_understanding>
>> For the human brain....
>>
>> But that would be too easy. Seconding the notion of perhaps a 'noob'-list.
>>
>> Regards,
>> David Nelson.
>> Software Engineer/Reverser
>>
> 
> +1
> 
> It would be good to have a development *discussion* list, as opposed to the current patch-oriented list.

patches _are_ development...
I don't think you can separate one from the other...
As Lukasz already said, don't be afraid, post your wondering.


-- 
Regards,
Igor.

[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, Igor Grinberg wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:09:41 +0300
> From: Igor Grinberg <grinberg@compulab.co.il>
> To: Jonathan Ben Avraham <yba@tkos.co.il>, David Nelson <djhenjin1@gmail.com>
> Cc: u-boot at lists.denx.de
> Subject: Re: [U-Boot] Newbies list?
> 
> On 08/12/14 14:35, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, David Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 01:14:55 -0600
>>> From: David Nelson <djhenjin1@gmail.com>
>>> To: Donald Dade <donald.dade@gmail.com>, u-boot at lists.denx.de
>>> Subject: Re: [U-Boot] Newbies list?
[snip]
>> +1
>>
>> It would be good to have a development *discussion* list, as opposed to the current patch-oriented list.
>
> patches _are_ development...
> I don't think you can separate one from the other...
> As Lukasz already said, don't be afraid, post your wondering.

Hi Igor,
You are correct, patches _are_ indeed development. But they are _not_ 
discussion. But you can discuss design decisions without reference to 
patches. Of course if all that you have is a hammer then the world looks 
like a nail, or a patch in this case. There needs to be a separate list to 
discuss design, planning, documentation and instruction issues, with a 
low-enough volume to allow for the occasional noob question. The current 
list is not appropriate for these needs.

  - yba


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[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[Igor Grinberg]

On 08/12/14 15:32, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, Igor Grinberg wrote:
> 
>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:09:41 +0300
>> From: Igor Grinberg <grinberg@compulab.co.il>
>> To: Jonathan Ben Avraham <yba@tkos.co.il>, David Nelson <djhenjin1@gmail.com>
>> Cc: u-boot at lists.denx.de
>> Subject: Re: [U-Boot] Newbies list?
>>
>> On 08/12/14 14:35, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, David Nelson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 01:14:55 -0600
>>>> From: David Nelson <djhenjin1@gmail.com>
>>>> To: Donald Dade <donald.dade@gmail.com>, u-boot at lists.denx.de
>>>> Subject: Re: [U-Boot] Newbies list?
> [snip]
>>> +1
>>>
>>> It would be good to have a development *discussion* list, as opposed to the current patch-oriented list.
>>
>> patches _are_ development...
>> I don't think you can separate one from the other...
>> As Lukasz already said, don't be afraid, post your wondering.
> 
> Hi Igor,
> You are correct, patches _are_ indeed development. But they are _not_ discussion.

Not exactly... All patches should go through a review and that can start
a discussion... as it always did...

> But you can discuss design decisions without reference to patches.

You still can do this on this list, as many people do.
Also, in many cases, sending RFC patches is the best way to start
a discussion.

> Of course if all that you have is a hammer then the world looks
> like a nail, or a patch in this case. There needs to be a separate
> list to discuss design, planning, documentation and instruction issues,
> with a low-enough volume to allow for the occasional noob question.
> The current list is not appropriate for these needs.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Current list worked for many years
and continues to work very well for all the above.
IMO, splitting it will be too artificial.

-- 
Regards,
Igor.

[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[Frank Ihle]

>>>> Jonathan Ben Avraham  12.08.14 14.32 Uhr >>>
>On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, Igor Grinberg wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:09:41 +0300
>> From: Igor Grinberg 
>> To: Jonathan Ben Avraham , David Nelson 
>> Cc: u-boot at lists.denx.de
>> Subject: Re: [U-Boot] Newbies list?
>> 
>> On 08/12/14 14:35, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, David Nelson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 01:14:55 -0600
>>>> From: David Nelson 
>>>> To: Donald Dade , u-boot at lists.denx.de
>>>> Subject: Re: [U-Boot] Newbies list?
>[snip]
>>> +1
>>>
>>> It would be good to have a development *discussion* list, as opposed to the current patch-oriented list.
>>
>> patches _are_ development...
>> I don't think you can separate one from the other...
>> As Lukasz already said, don't be afraid, post your wondering.
>
>Hi Igor,
>You are correct, patches _are_ indeed development. But they are _not_ 
>discussion. But you can discuss design decisions without reference to 
>patches. Of course if all that you have is a hammer then the world looks 
>like a nail, or a patch in this case. There needs to be a separate list to 
>discuss design, planning, documentation and instruction issues, with a 
>low-enough volume to allow for the occasional noob question. The current 
>list is not appropriate for these needs.
  
Well I've got to say, as a User I'd surely like to learn some new tricks from time to time. I believe this new mailing list would be the right place for it. What is happening now: my Mailbox gets full of messages, that I barely read (because they are just too many), most of those I have read then weren't useful for me at all - and I guess I unintentionally deleted many interesting mails because of this. Surely I'm not the only one doing it this way. 

Kind Regards
Frank

[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[David Aldrich]

  
> Well I've got to say, as a User I'd surely like to learn some new tricks from time to time. I believe this new mailing list would be the right place for it.

As a newbie, I agree that it would be nice to have a low volume list for help.  As it is, I tend to subscribe when I have a question and then unsubscribe later, when my question has been answered.  Would it be a good idea to have separate 'users' and 'dev' lists similar to other projects (such as svn)?

Best regards

David

[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[Hannes Petermaier]

Hi Frank,

> 
> Well I've got to say, as a User I'd surely like to learn some new tricks 
from 
> time to time. I believe this new mailing list would be the right place 
for it.
> What is happening now: my Mailbox gets full of messages, that I barely 
read 
> (because they are just too many), most of those I have read then weren't 

> useful for me at all - and I guess I unintentionally deleted many 
interesting 
> mails because of this. Surely I'm not the only one doing it this way. 

in this case you've the possibility to switch into "digest mode" on the 
mailing-list web-page.
Then you get only a few emails per day and you can have a look to the 
headlines and read the rest if there is something interesting.

Of course, it might be a bit difficult if you want to answer on something.

> 
> Kind Regards
> Frank
> 
best regards,
Hannes

[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[James Chargin]

On 08/12/2014 11:24 PM, Hannes Petermaier wrote:
> Hi Frank,
>
>>
>> Well I've got to say, as a User I'd surely like to learn some new tricks
> from
>> time to time. I believe this new mailing list would be the right place
> for it.
>> What is happening now: my Mailbox gets full of messages, that I barely
> read
>> (because they are just too many), most of those I have read then weren't
>
>> useful for me at all - and I guess I unintentionally deleted many
> interesting
>> mails because of this. Surely I'm not the only one doing it this way.
>
> in this case you've the possibility to switch into "digest mode" on the
> mailing-list web-page.
> Then you get only a few emails per day and you can have a look to the
> headlines and read the rest if there is something interesting.

Another option might be to set up an active email filter that moves the 
U-Boot mailing list messages from your inbox to a different folder.

I have my Thunderbird installation set up this way. I don't get 
interrupted for U-Boot emails and I can easily scan the email subject 
lines to see what I might want to read, when I have time.

I've been subscribed to the list for a few years, but I consider myself 
a newbie in that U-Boot is not my main job. I found that after a while I 
had a good idea of what I should look at and what I ignore. The context 
of what the active developers were doing has been valuable to me. I also 
have asked a few pretty basic questions on the list and have found the 
responses to be generally helpful and (mostly) patient.

Jim
-- 
Jim Chargin
AJA Video Systems                       jimc at aja.com
(530) 271-3334                          http://www.aja.com

[U-Boot] Newbies list?

[Lukasz Majewski]

Hi Donald,

> Hi All,
> 
> Is there are U-Boot equivalent of the kernel-newbies list, where one
> can ask stupid questions about u-boot?

There are no stupid questions - there are only not appropriate
answers.

I don't think that we need such a list at all. My impression is that
everyone here is kind and friendly, so you are welcome to ask any
questions.

This is how open source works :-).

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Donald
> 


-- 
Best regards,

Lukasz Majewski

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