From: Sean Anderson <seanga2@gmail.com>
To: Kostas Michalopoulos <badsector@runtimeterror.com>,
Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com>, Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>
Cc: u-boot@lists.denx.de, "Marek Behún" <marek.behun@nic.cz>,
"Simon Glass" <sjg@chromium.org>,
"Roland Gaudig" <roland.gaudig-oss@weidmueller.com>,
"Heinrich Schuchardt" <xypron.glpk@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 02/28] cli: Add LIL shell
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 09:32:16 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <63ee3da3-8653-7a29-4696-b199ccfa99b1@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a3ff5b17-708f-f5b7-8d5a-75415164c98f@runtimeterror.com>
On 7/6/21 12:09 PM, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 6:43 PM, Tom Rini wrote:
>> I don't know if it's right either. But drawing on my comment just now
>> and above about complex boot scripts, I also don't know if "it's sh but
>> quirky and incomplete, WHY DOESN'T THIS WORK RIGHT" is better than "It's
>> TCL? I don't know that, let me hit stackoverflow and do a little
>> reading" as would be the common experience. Especially if we document
>> up-front what the quirks we have are.
>
> I think the same would happen with Tcl and LIL. LIL might look similar
> to Tcl (and it is inspired by it), but it doesn't have the same
> syntax. A big difference comes from how variables are parsed with LIL
> allowing more variables symbols than Tcl without requiring escaping
> which affects some uses like expr, so e.g. in Tcl this
>
> set a 10 ; set b 20 ; expr $a+$b
>
> will give back 30 however in LIL will give back 20. This is because
> Tcl parses "$a+$b" as "$a" "+" "$b" whereas LIL parses it as "$a+"
> "$b", evaluates "$a+" as an empty string (there isn't any "a+"
> variable), "$b" as 20 and then just runs expr with the single argument
> "20".
IMO both of these are nuts. I think the best thing to do here is
to raise an error about a missing variable "a+" to force the user to
rewrite this as
set a 10 ; set b 20 ; expr ${a}+$b
removing the ambiguity. Although I would generally like to follow TCL's
lead, there are several places where TCL does crazy things (e.g.
comments) which I have purposely not replicated.
--Sean
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-07-07 13:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-01 6:15 [RFC PATCH 00/28] cli: Add a new shell Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 01/28] Add Zlib License Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 02/28] cli: Add LIL shell Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 11:03 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-02 13:33 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-03 2:12 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-03 19:33 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 19:10 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 19:47 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 19:53 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 19:55 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-06 7:46 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06 7:52 ` Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
2021-07-06 14:57 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-06 15:48 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 8:22 ` Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
2021-07-06 14:54 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 8:15 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-07 13:58 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 14:10 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-07 14:14 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 14:23 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06 7:44 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06 15:43 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-06 16:09 ` Kostas Michalopoulos
2021-07-07 13:32 ` Sean Anderson [this message]
2021-07-07 8:15 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-07 13:46 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-07 13:51 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 13:58 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 14:48 ` Marek Behun
2021-07-08 5:19 ` Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
2021-07-08 15:33 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-08 4:56 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08 17:00 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-03 19:23 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 03/28] cli: lil: Replace strclone with strdup Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 8:36 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-07-02 11:38 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-02 13:38 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 14:28 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-02 22:18 ` Kostas Michalopoulos
2021-07-03 2:28 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-03 19:26 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-05 5:07 ` Steve Bennett
2021-07-05 14:42 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 15:42 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 17:50 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-08 4:37 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08 16:13 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 04/28] cli: lil: Remove most functions by default Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 05/28] cli: lil: Rename some functions to be more like TCL Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 15:54 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 17:58 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-05 18:51 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 21:02 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 21:36 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-06 7:52 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06 15:21 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-06 15:33 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-06 16:00 ` Kostas Michalopoulos
2021-07-07 8:16 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-07 13:58 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 19:46 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-06 7:50 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-08 4:47 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08 16:21 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 06/28] cli: lil: Convert some defines to enums Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 07/28] cli: lil: Simplify callbacks Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 08/28] cli: lil: Handle commands with dots Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 09/28] cli: lil: Use error codes Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 10/28] cli: lil: Add printf-style format helper for errors Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 11/28] cli: lil: Add several helper functions " Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 12/28] cli: lil: Check for ctrl-c Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 13/28] cli: lil: Wire up LIL to the rest of U-Boot Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 8:18 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-07-02 13:40 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 14/28] cli: lil: Document structures Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 15/28] cli: lil: Convert LIL_ENABLE_POOLS to Kconfig Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 16/28] cli: lil: Convert LIL_ENABLE_RECLIMIT to KConfig Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 17/28] test: Add tests for LIL Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 18/28] cli: lil: Remove duplicate function bodies Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 19/28] cli: lil: Add "symbol" structure Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 20/28] cli: lil: Add config to enable debug output Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 21/28] cli: lil: Add a distinct parsing step Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 22/28] env: Add a priv pointer to hwalk_r Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 20:10 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 23/28] cli: lil: Handle OOM for hm_put Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 24/28] cli: lil: Make proc always take 3 arguments Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 25/28] cli: lil: Always quote items in lil_list_to_value Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 26/28] cli: lil: Allocate len even when str is NULL in alloc_value_len Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 27/28] cli: lil: Add a function to quote values Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 28/28] cli: lil: Load procs from the environment Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH 00/28] cli: Add a new shell Tom Rini
2021-07-02 11:30 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-02 13:56 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 14:07 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08 3:49 ` Heiko Schocher
2021-07-08 4:26 ` Sean Anderson
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