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From: Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@arm.com>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] ARM64 Allwinner Binary Size
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 14:17:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f98ce845-90b7-23ac-cbfd-e91e2f467be9@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <58dbce8c3505a215@bloch.sibelius.xs4all.nl>

Hi,

On 19/12/17 13:51, Mark Kettenis wrote:
>> From: Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@arm.com>
>> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:38:59 +0000
>>
>> Hi Maxime,
>>
>> thanks for having a look!
>>
>> On 19/12/17 13:12, Maxime Ripard wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 10:28:20AM +0000, Andre Przywara wrote:
>>>> So even though the actual u-boot.bin for 64-bit boards is still somewhat
>>>> below the limit (~480KB), adding the ATF image (~32KB) pushes it over
>>>> the edge. So since v2017.11 u-boot.itb is already too big for the
>>>> traditional MMC env location.
>>>
>>> So I've had a quick look about what could go possibly go away in our
>>> current armv8 config (using the pine64+ defconfig). Let me know if
>>> some are actually vitals:
>>>
>>>  - FIT_ENABLE_SHA256_SUPPORT
>>>  - CONSOLE_MUX
>>>  - CMD_CRC32
>>>  - CMD_LZMADEC
>>>  - CMD_UNZIP
>>>  - CMD_LOADB
>>>  - CMD_LOADS
>>>  - CMD_MISC (actually implementing the command sleep)
>>>  - ISO_PARTITION (yes. For CDROMs.)
>>
>> As Alex mentioned, this is needed for some installer images, which come
>> as ISOs. So if possible, we should keep this in.
>>
>>>  - VIDEO_BPP8, VIDEO_BPP16
>>>  - VIDEO_ANSI
>>>  - SHA256
>>>  - LZMA
>>
>> From just looking at the names I am fine with the rest gone. But let me
>> test tonight if there are any side effects.
>>
>> Some of them seem useful, but I would leave enabling them to the actual
>> users. If someone needs it, they can enable them and loose the raw MMC
>> environment. I think this is a fair trade-off.
>>
>>> Removing those options make the u-boot.itb binary size going from
>>> 516kB to 478kB, making it functional again *and* allowing us to enable
>>> the DT overlays that seem way more important than any feature
>>> mentionned above (and bumps the size to 483kB).
>>
>> How important is the raw MMC environment for the ARM64 boards, actually?
>> Most of the rationale for the 32-bit side seemed to apply to legacy use
>> cases only. Do we have reports/complaints from 64-bit users?
> 
> For me/us (OpenBSD) the environment is still important.  I have many
> setups where U-Boot lives on a uSD card but the installed OS lives on
> a USB device.  In that scenario I set boot_targets to boot the EFI
> bootloader and OS off the USB disk.  This is very helpfull for testing
> new versions of U-Boot as I can simply swap the uSD card.  But for
> some setups this is essential as OpenBSD doesn't support the SD/MCC
> controller on all ARM hardware yet (but we do support it on
> Allwinner).

I see, but I wasn't arguing for dropping the environment altogether,
more for supporting FAT environments *only*.
So how important is preserving existing environments over a firmware
update in your scenario? I think this is the killer question here, isn't
it? I'm inclined to just drop raw MMC environment support from sunxi64
boards and then enjoy the ~450KB more worth of code, until we hit the
first MB boundary.
I have builds with all (DDR3) A64 board DTs in the binary [1], which
would be larger than 504K anyway.

Cheers,
Andre.

[1] https://github.com/apritzel/pine64/commit/ee12bea43

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-19 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-28 10:24 [U-Boot] [PATCH 00/14] env: Multiple env support and env transition for sunxi Maxime Ripard
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 01/14] cmd: nvedit: Get rid of the env lookup Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:08   ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-29  3:13   ` Simon Glass
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 02/14] env: Rename env_driver_lookup_default and env_get_default_location Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:08   ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-29  3:13   ` Simon Glass
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 03/14] env: Pass additional parameters to the env lookup function Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:09   ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-08  8:25     ` Maxime Ripard
2017-12-29  3:13   ` Simon Glass
2018-01-05  9:27     ` Maxime Ripard
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 04/14] env: Make the env save message a bit more explicit Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:09   ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-29  3:13   ` Simon Glass
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 05/14] env: Make it explicit where we're loading our environment from Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:09   ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-29  3:13     ` Simon Glass
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 06/14] env: fat: Make the debug messages play a little nicer Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:10   ` Andre Przywara
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 07/14] env: mmc: " Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:10   ` Andre Przywara
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 08/14] env: common: " Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:10   ` Andre Przywara
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 09/14] env: Support multiple environments Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:10   ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-29  3:13   ` Simon Glass
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 10/14] env: Initialise all the environments Maxime Ripard
2017-11-28 12:24   ` Quentin Schulz
2017-11-28 12:29     ` Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:11   ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-29  3:13   ` Simon Glass
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 11/14] env: Allow to build multiple environments in Kconfig Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:11   ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-29  3:13   ` Simon Glass
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 12/14] env: Mark env_get_location as weak Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:14   ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-29  3:13   ` Simon Glass
2018-01-05  9:29     ` Maxime Ripard
2018-01-08  4:52       ` Simon Glass
2018-01-09 13:10         ` Maxime Ripard
2018-01-09 16:05           ` Tom Rini
2018-01-11 15:35             ` Maxime Ripard
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 13/14] sunxi: Transition from the MMC to a FAT-based environment Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:28   ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-08  8:42     ` Maxime Ripard
2017-12-19 13:12     ` [U-Boot] ARM64 Allwinner Binary Size Maxime Ripard
2017-12-19 13:15       ` Tom Rini
2017-12-19 13:26         ` Maxime Ripard
2017-12-19 13:30           ` Tom Rini
2017-12-19 14:09             ` Maxime Ripard
2017-12-19 14:16               ` Emmanuel Vadot
2017-12-19 14:20               ` Tom Rini
2017-12-19 14:22                 ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-19 14:24                   ` Tom Rini
2017-12-19 13:28       ` Alexander Graf
2017-12-19 13:31         ` Tom Rini
2017-12-19 14:13         ` Maxime Ripard
2017-12-19 13:38       ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-19 13:51         ` Mark Kettenis
2017-12-19 14:17           ` Andre Przywara [this message]
2017-12-20  9:31             ` Mark Kettenis
2017-12-19 14:20         ` Maxime Ripard
2017-12-19 14:27           ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-19 14:38             ` Jagan Teki
2017-12-19 14:41               ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2017-12-19 14:50                 ` Maxime Ripard
2017-12-19 14:41               ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-19 15:36             ` Maxime Ripard
2017-12-19 15:44               ` Tom Rini
2017-12-19 15:50               ` Jagan Teki
2017-12-20  2:02               ` André Przywara
2017-12-19 13:41       ` Mark Kettenis
2017-12-19 15:24         ` Maxime Ripard
2017-12-19 22:35           ` Mark Kettenis
2017-12-20  1:55           ` André Przywara
2017-12-20  7:15             ` Maxime Ripard
2017-12-20  7:42               ` Mark Kettenis
2017-12-20  9:20                 ` Maxime Ripard
2017-11-28 10:24 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 14/14] env: sunxi: Enable FAT-based environment support by default Maxime Ripard
2017-12-05 10:30   ` Andre Przywara
2017-12-07 20:09 ` [U-Boot] [PATCH 00/14] env: Multiple env support and env transition for sunxi Tom Rini
2017-12-08  9:05   ` Maxime Ripard
     [not found] <1121050599.2348905.1513792379568.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
2017-12-20 17:52 ` [U-Boot] ARM64 Allwinner Binary Size Duncan Hare
2017-12-20 18:08   ` Jagan Teki
2017-12-20 20:30     ` Duncan Hare

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