From: Detlev Zundel <dzu@denx.de>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] U-book and GPLv3? (fwd)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:33:53 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m28wjinc3y.fsf@ohwell.denx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1MHmPd-00040a-8B@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:18:21 -0400")
Hello Richard,
> There's only one thing about U-Boot that doesn't seem so good:
>
> U-Boot is GPLv2 (sometimes "or later").
>
> To have some parts which are GPLv2 only is unfortunate.
This is due to us many times (re-)using Linux drivers inside U-Boot.
Also this is one of the objections worded on the mailing list, namely
that such a cooperation will be impossible in the future if U-Boot moves
to GPLv3.
As a base for reasonable discussion, I think we need to evaluate those
claims and back them up by actual figures. Only then the real effort
needed to move and the potential loss of "code immigration" can be
estimated.
> Is there any chance of convincing those authors to change that?
Apart from the the above reasons, currently most people who voiced their
opinion (not too many right now) oppose the move. The reasoning seems
to be that companies using U-Boot inside a commercial product consider
it to be "a neccessary precondition to only accept blessed firmware
upgrades" (my wording). What motivates this argument is not completely
clear to me. Maybe it is fear of being liable as a product vendor to
faulty sw upgrades.
A common theme in the embedded community is the fear of "getting copied
by cheap labor countries" - which should not be the case here, but I
cannot say for sure.
I believe that without discussing this question seriously with all its
implications we will not get enough momentum to even start defining the
work for a switch.
We should also start to actively inform the regularly appearing people
on this mailing list complaining that they cannot get the source code to
U-Boot of "device xyz" that with a GPLv2 U-Boot this may become a
theoretical question in the future when they cannot install the changed
binary anymore.
Cheers
Detlev
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2009-06-18 14:51 ` [U-Boot] U-book and GPLv3? (fwd) Wolfgang Denk
2009-06-18 15:42 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-18 15:46 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-18 15:56 ` Jon Smirl
2009-06-19 8:30 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-19 0:46 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-06-19 22:18 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-23 16:33 ` Detlev Zundel [this message]
2009-06-23 19:26 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-23 19:41 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-23 21:14 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-24 9:17 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 14:16 ` Matthew Lear
2009-06-24 16:45 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 17:41 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 11:22 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 13:56 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 14:11 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 0:59 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 9:55 ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-25 23:29 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26 0:17 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-27 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26 6:11 ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-25 14:00 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 15:38 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 16:07 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 16:39 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 19:10 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 19:38 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 20:22 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 20:45 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 21:44 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 22:11 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-26 9:03 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-26 4:50 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26 21:35 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 0:59 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 21:24 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-26 4:50 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26 7:22 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-26 12:10 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-27 9:01 ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-28 20:28 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-29 7:05 ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-27 9:03 ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-26 21:35 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-27 19:05 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-28 20:28 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-24 9:12 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 11:43 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-24 13:17 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 14:38 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-24 16:34 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 16:57 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-25 12:30 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 19:40 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-24 17:32 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 11:04 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 13:53 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 14:20 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 14:37 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 8:25 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 13:41 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 13:56 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 14:17 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 15:11 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 16:23 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 14:41 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 18:37 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 8:21 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 13:48 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-29 15:17 ` Robin Getz
2009-06-29 18:48 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-29 19:45 ` Robin Getz
2009-06-30 14:04 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 17:14 ` Robin Getz
2009-06-30 19:12 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 22:29 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-01 11:46 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 13:11 ` Graeme Russ
2009-07-01 13:55 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-07-01 14:51 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02 8:35 ` Pink Boy
2009-07-02 13:56 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-02 14:59 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02 16:11 ` Larry Johnson
2009-07-02 17:12 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02 22:34 ` Pink Boy
2009-07-02 17:21 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-07-03 13:48 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 5:58 ` Thomas Dörfler
2009-07-02 13:56 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-02 14:44 ` Jon Smirl
2009-07-02 16:06 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-07-03 13:47 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 15:51 ` [U-Boot] U-boot " Wolfgang Wegner
2009-07-03 22:52 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 0:29 ` [U-Boot] U-book " Jon Smirl
2009-07-06 18:04 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-30 19:12 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 21:01 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-01 11:45 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 14:27 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02 13:56 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 19:12 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 22:46 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-01 11:45 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 23:29 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26 0:02 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-27 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-28 18:48 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 0:59 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 3:35 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 16:48 ` Chris Morgan
2009-06-25 19:25 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-24 9:09 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 16:24 ` Scott Wood
2009-06-24 16:36 ` Jon Smirl
2009-06-24 16:56 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 19:16 ` Jon Smirl
2009-06-25 11:25 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 10:48 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-24 17:16 ` Grant Likely
2009-06-25 0:59 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <fa686aa40906181853g3ce4ebeagc7b7cc93010a6a9c@mail.gmail.com>
2009-06-19 1:53 ` Grant Likely
2009-06-19 8:40 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 14:11 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-27 20:18 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-27 22:50 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-29 14:56 ` Arno Fischer
2009-06-29 15:27 ` Frank Svendsbøe
2009-06-29 16:00 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-29 16:33 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-07-07 11:51 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2009-07-07 13:12 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 13:50 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2009-07-07 14:43 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 15:18 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2009-07-07 15:28 ` Jon Smirl
2009-07-07 16:26 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-06-25 18:46 ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-25 18:52 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 19:04 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-30 2:03 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-06-30 14:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 14:16 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-06-30 14:30 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-30 15:11 ` Eric Nelson
2009-06-30 19:12 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 17:07 ` Scott Wood
2009-07-01 0:01 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-07-06 10:55 ` [U-Boot] U-book and GPLv3? Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-06 12:41 ` Jon Smirl
2009-07-06 14:40 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-06 16:06 ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 16:50 ` Scott Wood
2009-07-06 15:44 ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-07-06 18:46 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 19:16 ` Remy Bohmer
2009-07-07 21:17 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 13:24 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-07 20:07 ` Remy Bohmer
2009-07-07 21:24 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-09 16:10 ` Kumar Gala
2009-07-09 17:54 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-07-09 18:01 ` Kumar Gala
2009-07-09 19:49 ` Remy Bohmer
2009-07-09 20:26 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-07-10 12:49 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-07-09 20:04 ` Wolfgang Denk
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