[U-Boot] u-boot on dockstar problem - ** Bad partition 1 **

[U-Boot] u-boot on dockstar problem - ** Bad partition 1 **

[devzero at web.de]

Wolfgang,
 
to be honest, it`s not my problem that some people on the net seem to
be on a personal crusade to tell other people how to post to mailinglists 
or how to write email.

My life does not depend on u-boot. I did not only ask for help, but i also
offered help (giving valuable end-user input to make u-boot run better
on pogoplug/dockstar - Mind that dockstar is currently on sale at Atelco for 
Eur 24,90. That is a killer price for 1,2Ghz ARM Kirkwood SoC with 128M) 

If you don`t like me or like my mail style - no problem, i can go away and 
switch to another bootloader or maybe even other hardware platform. 

What I got from you for my postings was nothing but negative. 
I was being accused that I did not this or I did not that. 
In other words, you even told me to be an idiot, as I should go read a 
document how to ask SMART questions. 

So, if this list is also for users, I would recommend to be more tolerant on 
how users write mails!  I`m no C-coder and there are people in this world 
that give not that much attention to make their Ascii look perfect on screen. 

Don`t you think that those two mails from you were a little bit more offensive 
than my laxly dealing with mail formatting was offensive to all the list members 
alltogether ? I don`t even know how to limit chars in my webmailer, and even 
Linus Torvalds is fine with more than 80 chars per line 
(http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/12/17/229 )

So, we either can say a friendly "Hello" now, or you may kick me off this list
and scare me away from u-boot for the rest of my life.

Sorry if that have been harsh words now, but i was really pissed and it is
a very long time ago that is got such negative response from a project`s
owner to initial postings on a mailing list. 

If we can be above such things now, i suggest we concentrate on the issue. 
If you`re ok with that, here we go (otherwise: please ignore!):

> You completely fail to explain which exact version of U-Boot you are
> running - it seems to be a locally modified one, probably with
> out-of-tree patches to support that Dockstar board which is not known
> in the mainline U-Boot repository.  How should we be able to comment
> on code we don't even know?

Apparently you are right. I did not realize that this is a modified version
( http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/uboot/build_uboot.htm ) and apparently the 
changes (add pogoplug/dockstar, seems much LED stuff) have never been sent 
upstream. 

Anyway,the patch at http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/uboot/uboot.mtd3.patch
does not seem to poke into the u-boot usb code, so i wonder if the changes
can be source of the problem. I have seen posts from sheevaplug users which
report similar issue, and as it seems, official support for sheevaplug is already
in u-boot. Maybe there is a way to add official support for pogoplug and dockstar, 
as this out-of-tree stuff sucks big....
So, if this is not for the u-boot list, please somebody give an advice on how 
to proceed for resolving this issue.

regards
Roland

ps:
reference to the initial post, unintentionally hijacking another thread:
http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2010-September/077489.html



From: "Wolfgang Denk" <wd@denx.de>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:40 AM
To: <devzero@web.de>
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [U-Boot] [PATCH] usb: fix usb start problem with SMSC USB hub and Toshiba USB stick

> Dear devzero at web.de,
> 
> In message <899533205.349626.1285022229052.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb063> you wrote:
>> pardon, that was not my intention, nor was it my intention to infringe list
>>  rules.  so, this is for developers/experts - not for users and bug-reporte
>> rs?
> 
> This list is for ALL discussions about U-Boot: users, bug-reporters,
> developers, etc.
> 
> But we expect that everybody who posts here follows some basic
> Netiquette.
> 
> You don't. For example, Netiquette says to keep your line length below
> some 70 characters or so.
> 
> You don't even after being told.  I asked you explicitly NOT to top
> post / full quote, and pointed you to rules for correct quoting. You
> ignore that.
> 
>> i`m spending more than half of this evening with this issue, trying to find
>>  a solution and trying to provide information for a problem affecting manyr
>> people and which seems to exist in u-boot.
> 
> I also pointed you to a document that explains how to ask smart
> questions, but it seems you ignored this hint as well.
> 
> You completely fail to explain which exact version of U-Boot you are
> running - it seems to be a locally modified one, probably with
> out-of-tree patches to support that Dockstar board which is not known
> in the mainline U-Boot repository.  How should we be able to comment
> on code we don't even know?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Wolfgang Denk
> 
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[U-Boot] u-boot on dockstar problem - ** Bad partition 1 **

[Detlev Zundel]

Hi Roland,

> If you don`t like me or like my mail style - no problem, i can go away and 
> switch to another bootloader or maybe even other hardware platform. 

Please stay and report your findings.

[...]

>> You completely fail to explain which exact version of U-Boot you are
>> running - it seems to be a locally modified one, probably with
>> out-of-tree patches to support that Dockstar board which is not known
>> in the mainline U-Boot repository.  How should we be able to comment
>> on code we don't even know?
>
> Apparently you are right. I did not realize that this is a modified version
> ( http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/uboot/build_uboot.htm ) and apparently the 
> changes (add pogoplug/dockstar, seems much LED stuff) have never been sent 
> upstream. 
>
> Anyway,the patch at http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/uboot/uboot.mtd3.patch
> does not seem to poke into the u-boot usb code, so i wonder if the changes
> can be source of the problem.

Probably not, but it is good to know what exact configuration you test
with.  As I said, this is a pre-requisite to interpreting the results of
your tests.  

However I have to warn you that not many people here on this mailing
list have the time to interpret results for non-mainline code.

> I have seen posts from sheevaplug users which report similar issue,
> and as it seems, official support for sheevaplug is already in
> u-boot. Maybe there is a way to add official support for pogoplug and
> dockstar, as this out-of-tree stuff sucks big.... 

Of course there is a possibility - simply post the patches on the
mailing list.  They _have to go_ through the regular peer review process
which usually fixes bugs and improves quality.  Please ask the initial
authors of the version you use to do this.  If they do not want to do
this, someone else (even you) can at least start to post the patches
here so they can be reviewed.

Cheers
  Detlev

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[U-Boot] u-boot on dockstar problem - ** Bad partition 1 **

[devzero at web.de]

Hello, 

>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: "Detlev Zundel" <dzu@denx.de>
--snip--
>
>Please stay and report your findings.

thanks!

--snip--
>>
>> Anyway,the patch at http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/uboot/uboot.mtd3.patch
>> does not seem to poke into the u-boot usb code, so i wonder if the changes
>> can be source of the problem.
>
>Probably not, but it is good to know what exact configuration you test
>with.  As I said, this is a pre-requisite to interpreting the results of
>your tests.  
>
>However I have to warn you that not many people here on this mailing
>list have the time to interpret results for non-mainline code.

i don`t expect that this is being done, but using non mainline code does not 
always mean that the problem is not in mainline.  The problem with this is, that 
i cannot use mainline to test how it behaves there....

>> I have seen posts from sheevaplug users which report similar issue,
>> and as it seems, official support for sheevaplug is already in
>> u-boot. Maybe there is a way to add official support for pogoplug and
>> dockstar, as this out-of-tree stuff sucks big.... 
>
>Of course there is a possibility - simply post the patches on the
>mailing list.  They _have to go_ through the regular peer review process
>which usually fixes bugs and improves quality.  Please ask the initial
>authors of the version you use to do this.  If they do not want to do
>this, someone else (even you) can at least start to post the patches
>here so they can be reviewed.

Apparently, it`s on the way (learnt that today), so maybe this needs just 
one or two more rounds to go trough. It seems it was not sent by the original
author.

see
http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,435,1063#msg-1063
and especially
http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,881,901#msg-901
http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,881,978#msg-978

(just wondering, why i did not find that via google and gmane search on the 
u-boot mailing list archive - i searched for dockstar and for freeagent , but got
no hits!)

regards
Roland
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[U-Boot] u-boot on dockstar problem - ** Bad partition 1 **

[Detlev Zundel]

Hi Roland,

[...]

> Apparently, it`s on the way (learnt that today), so maybe this needs just 
> one or two more rounds to go trough. It seems it was not sent by the original
> author.
>
> see
> http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,435,1063#msg-1063

I see that you already started to analyze what could be done in terms of
code re-use.  Why not tackle those and send patches?

It is definitely not the case that we prefer code duplication, but
#ifdefs have the inherent problem of multiplying the possible
combination of sources to be compiled, so we try to avoid them whenever
possible.

> and especially
> http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,881,901#msg-901
> http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,881,978#msg-978

Yes, indeed - the feedback only touched some formal points.  Reworking
the patches should be easy.

> (just wondering, why i did not find that via google and gmane search on the 
> u-boot mailing list archive - i searched for dockstar and for freeagent , but got
> no hits!)

Actually I have no clue.  The gmane search seems to miss newer articles
of this year.  I'll try to contact Lars about this.

Cheers
  Detlev

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[U-Boot] u-boot on dockstar problem - ** Bad partition 1 **

[Roland Kletzing]

Hi,

regarding the status of the dockstar integration:

> Yes, indeed - the feedback only touched some formal points.  Reworking
> the patches should be easy.

taken from http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,881,978#msg-978 :

"Cool. I'm currently hung up on making my patches work with the new ARM
relocation stuff that's been pulled into the upcoming (2010.09) release. I 
just
don't know enough about the low-level hardware to know how to adapt it. So
I'm waiting for the "real" SheevaPlug maintainers to adapt their code, then 
it
should be trivial to copy."

regarding broken gmane search:

>> (just wondering, why i did not find that via google and gmane search on 
>> the
>> u-boot mailing list archive - i searched for dockstar and for freeagent , 
>> but got
>> no hits!)
>
> Actually I have no clue.  The gmane search seems to miss newer articles
> of this year.  I'll try to contact Lars about this.

Any update on this ? Search on gmane is definitely broken.

Btw, i found that marc.info also has u-boot searchable archive at
http://marc.info/?l=u-boot , so maybe it helps if another link would be
added on http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot  ?
Some may find that marc.info is more easy to use/browse anyway, and
the guys @marc.info offer an remarkable and reliable service.

regards
Roland


 

[U-Boot] u-boot on dockstar problem - ** Bad partition 1 **

[Detlev Zundel]

Hi Roland,

> regarding the status of the dockstar integration:
>
>> Yes, indeed - the feedback only touched some formal points.  Reworking
>> the patches should be easy.
>
> taken from http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,881,978#msg-978 :
>
> "Cool. I'm currently hung up on making my patches work with the new ARM
> relocation stuff that's been pulled into the upcoming (2010.09)
> release. I just
> don't know enough about the low-level hardware to know how to adapt it. So
> I'm waiting for the "real" SheevaPlug maintainers to adapt their code,
> then it
> should be trivial to copy."

Yes I read that.  Has anybody pinged the SheevaPlug maintainer about it?

If nothing happens on this front, I believe there are examples of what
the conversion has to do and it should not be _that_ difficult to do
it.  Of course the mailing list is always a good ressource for actual
problems ;)

> regarding broken gmane search:
>
>>> (just wondering, why i did not find that via google and gmane
>>> search on the
>>> u-boot mailing list archive - i searched for dockstar and for
>>> freeagent , but got
>>> no hits!)
>>
>> Actually I have no clue.  The gmane search seems to miss newer articles
>> of this year.  I'll try to contact Lars about this.
>
> Any update on this ? Search on gmane is definitely broken.

No, thanks for reminding - I just sent another ping.

> Btw, i found that marc.info also has u-boot searchable archive at
> http://marc.info/?l=u-boot , so maybe it helps if another link would be
> added on http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot  ?
> Some may find that marc.info is more easy to use/browse anyway, and
> the guys @marc.info offer an remarkable and reliable service.

<hint> That page is a wiki page </hint> :)

Cheers
  Detlev

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[U-Boot] u-boot on dockstar problem - ** Bad partition 1 **

[Detlev Zundel]

Hi,

[...]

>> regarding broken gmane search:
>>
>>>> (just wondering, why i did not find that via google and gmane
>>>> search on the
>>>> u-boot mailing list archive - i searched for dockstar and for
>>>> freeagent , but got
>>>> no hits!)
>>>
>>> Actually I have no clue.  The gmane search seems to miss newer articles
>>> of this year.  I'll try to contact Lars about this.
>>
>> Any update on this ? Search on gmane is definitely broken.
>
> No, thanks for reminding - I just sent another ping.

The gmane search engine is currently migrating to new servers and is
rebuilding the indices.  There is no schedule for when it should work
again...

>> Btw, i found that marc.info also has u-boot searchable archive at
>> http://marc.info/?l=u-boot , so maybe it helps if another link would be
>> added on http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot  ?
>> Some may find that marc.info is more easy to use/browse anyway, and
>> the guys @marc.info offer an remarkable and reliable service.
>
> <hint> That page is a wiki page </hint> :)

Ok, ok, I added it myself.  Thanks for the pointer.

Cheers
  Detlev

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