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* Desperate after upgrading OBP from 3.11 to 3.31
@ 2005-07-09 22:12 A. Eijkhoudt
  2005-07-09 23:36 ` Ben Collins
                   ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: A. Eijkhoudt @ 2005-07-09 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: sparclinux

Hello all,

I've upgraded my OBP from 3.11 to 3.31 and now my SUN won't boot 
anymore. Whatever I try at the 'ok' prompt has no effect, it keeps 
saying 'The file just loaded does not appear to be executable'. I've 
tried pretty much all versions of 'boot disk#:#' by now. The system in 
question is a SUN Ultra10, 300MHz, 320MB RAM, 40GB HD Maxtor 6E040L.

Partition layout:

<snip>
Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc (Sun disk label): 16 heads, 
63 sectors, 16383 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes

                                 Device Flag    Start       End 
Blocks   Id  System
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1             1       101     50400 
   83  Linux native
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2           101     79144  39837672 
   83  Linux native
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3             0     79656  40146624 
    5  Whole disk
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4  u      79147     79655    256032 
   82  Linux swap

Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 (Sun disk label): 16 heads, 
63 sectors, 16383 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes

                                  Device Flag    Start       End 
Blocks   Id  System
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p1             1       101 
50400   83  Linux native
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p2           101     79144 
39837672   83  Linux native
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p3             0     79656 
40146624    5  Whole disk
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p4  u      79147     79655 
256032   82  Linux swap
</snip>

As you can see, I can boot fine from CD...

My SILO configuration:

<snip>
partition=1
root=/dev/hda2
timeout\x10
device=/dev/hda
image=/boot/2.6.12
         label=linux
image=/boot/2.6.12-old
         label=old
</snip>

This is all correct:

<snip>
livecd ~ # ls /boot/
2.6.12      System.map         System.map-2.6.12-old  fd.b     generic.b 
  isofs.b     old.b     silo.conf   ultra.b
2.6.12-old  System.map-2.6.12  boot                   first.b  ieee32.b 
   lost+found  second.b  silotftp.b
</snip>

Running SILO yields no errors... Can someone please help? There has to 
be a simple way of fixing this, and I really don't believe I'm the only 
one who has ever had this problem either. I've already spent 5(!) hours 
reading every single search result I could find on Google and on the 
Gentoo forums about this... My SUN is pretty much dead in the water 
right now, as I don't feel like booting from a LiveCD just to get it 
beyond the OpenBoot POST.

Kind regards,

Arnim Eijkhoudt

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* Re: Desperate after upgrading OBP from 3.11 to 3.31
  2005-07-09 22:12 Desperate after upgrading OBP from 3.11 to 3.31 A. Eijkhoudt
@ 2005-07-09 23:36 ` Ben Collins
  2005-07-10  0:25 ` A. Eijkhoudt
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Ben Collins @ 2005-07-09 23:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: sparclinux

After booting from CD, rerun the silo command. Sounds like your boot
sector got corrupted, or you moved second.b on your filesystem without
rerunning silo.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 12:12:25AM +0200, A. Eijkhoudt wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I've upgraded my OBP from 3.11 to 3.31 and now my SUN won't boot 
> anymore. Whatever I try at the 'ok' prompt has no effect, it keeps 
> saying 'The file just loaded does not appear to be executable'. I've 
> tried pretty much all versions of 'boot disk#:#' by now. The system in 
> question is a SUN Ultra10, 300MHz, 320MB RAM, 40GB HD Maxtor 6E040L.
> 
> Partition layout:
> 
> <snip>
> Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc (Sun disk label): 16 heads, 
> 63 sectors, 16383 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
> 
>                                 Device Flag    Start       End 
> Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1             1       101     50400 
>   83  Linux native
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2           101     79144  39837672 
>   83  Linux native
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3             0     79656  40146624 
>    5  Whole disk
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4  u      79147     79655    256032 
>   82  Linux swap
> 
> Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 (Sun disk label): 16 heads, 
> 63 sectors, 16383 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
> 
>                                  Device Flag    Start       End 
> Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p1             1       101 
> 50400   83  Linux native
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p2           101     79144 
> 39837672   83  Linux native
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p3             0     79656 
> 40146624    5  Whole disk
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p4  u      79147     79655 
> 256032   82  Linux swap
> </snip>
> 
> As you can see, I can boot fine from CD...
> 
> My SILO configuration:
> 
> <snip>
> partition=1
> root=/dev/hda2
> timeout\x10
> device=/dev/hda
> image=/boot/2.6.12
>         label=linux
> image=/boot/2.6.12-old
>         label=old
> </snip>
> 
> This is all correct:
> 
> <snip>
> livecd ~ # ls /boot/
> 2.6.12      System.map         System.map-2.6.12-old  fd.b     generic.b 
>  isofs.b     old.b     silo.conf   ultra.b
> 2.6.12-old  System.map-2.6.12  boot                   first.b  ieee32.b 
>   lost+found  second.b  silotftp.b
> </snip>
> 
> Running SILO yields no errors... Can someone please help? There has to 
> be a simple way of fixing this, and I really don't believe I'm the only 
> one who has ever had this problem either. I've already spent 5(!) hours 
> reading every single search result I could find on Google and on the 
> Gentoo forums about this... My SUN is pretty much dead in the water 
> right now, as I don't feel like booting from a LiveCD just to get it 
> beyond the OpenBoot POST.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Arnim Eijkhoudt
> -
> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe sparclinux" in
> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

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* Re: Desperate after upgrading OBP from 3.11 to 3.31
  2005-07-09 22:12 Desperate after upgrading OBP from 3.11 to 3.31 A. Eijkhoudt
  2005-07-09 23:36 ` Ben Collins
@ 2005-07-10  0:25 ` A. Eijkhoudt
  2005-07-10  0:44 ` Ben Collins
  2005-07-10 13:07 ` A. Eijkhoudt
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: A. Eijkhoudt @ 2005-07-10  0:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: sparclinux

Hi Ben,

Thanks for responding. I have, but to no avail. I've tried running SILO 
with multiple exotic combinations such as -f and -u to force it to 
rewrite the bootblock for my Ultra. What I don't understand is how the 
boot sector could get corrupted in the first place. I've also tried 
putting the first partition back at 'Start = 0' now; no deal.

Kind regards,

Arnim

Ben Collins wrote:
> After booting from CD, rerun the silo command. Sounds like your boot
> sector got corrupted, or you moved second.b on your filesystem without
> rerunning silo.
> 
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 12:12:25AM +0200, A. Eijkhoudt wrote:
> 
>>Hello all,
>>
>>I've upgraded my OBP from 3.11 to 3.31 and now my SUN won't boot 
>>anymore. Whatever I try at the 'ok' prompt has no effect, it keeps 
>>saying 'The file just loaded does not appear to be executable'. I've 
>>tried pretty much all versions of 'boot disk#:#' by now. The system in 
>>question is a SUN Ultra10, 300MHz, 320MB RAM, 40GB HD Maxtor 6E040L.
>>
>>Partition layout:
>>
>><snip>
>>Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc (Sun disk label): 16 heads, 
>>63 sectors, 16383 cylinders
>>Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
>>
>>                                Device Flag    Start       End 
>>Blocks   Id  System
>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1             1       101     50400 
>>  83  Linux native
>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2           101     79144  39837672 
>>  83  Linux native
>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3             0     79656  40146624 
>>   5  Whole disk
>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4  u      79147     79655    256032 
>>  82  Linux swap
>>
>>Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 (Sun disk label): 16 heads, 
>>63 sectors, 16383 cylinders
>>Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
>>
>>                                 Device Flag    Start       End 
>>Blocks   Id  System
>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p1             1       101 
>>50400   83  Linux native
>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p2           101     79144 
>>39837672   83  Linux native
>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p3             0     79656 
>>40146624    5  Whole disk
>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p4  u      79147     79655 
>>256032   82  Linux swap
>></snip>
>>
>>As you can see, I can boot fine from CD...
>>
>>My SILO configuration:
>>
>><snip>
>>partition=1
>>root=/dev/hda2
>>timeout\x10
>>device=/dev/hda
>>image=/boot/2.6.12
>>        label=linux
>>image=/boot/2.6.12-old
>>        label=old
>></snip>
>>
>>This is all correct:
>>
>><snip>
>>livecd ~ # ls /boot/
>>2.6.12      System.map         System.map-2.6.12-old  fd.b     generic.b 
>> isofs.b     old.b     silo.conf   ultra.b
>>2.6.12-old  System.map-2.6.12  boot                   first.b  ieee32.b 
>>  lost+found  second.b  silotftp.b
>></snip>
>>
>>Running SILO yields no errors... Can someone please help? There has to 
>>be a simple way of fixing this, and I really don't believe I'm the only 
>>one who has ever had this problem either. I've already spent 5(!) hours 
>>reading every single search result I could find on Google and on the 
>>Gentoo forums about this... My SUN is pretty much dead in the water 
>>right now, as I don't feel like booting from a LiveCD just to get it 
>>beyond the OpenBoot POST.
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>
>>Arnim Eijkhoudt
>>-
>>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe sparclinux" in
>>the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>>More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
> 
> 

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* Re: Desperate after upgrading OBP from 3.11 to 3.31
  2005-07-09 22:12 Desperate after upgrading OBP from 3.11 to 3.31 A. Eijkhoudt
  2005-07-09 23:36 ` Ben Collins
  2005-07-10  0:25 ` A. Eijkhoudt
@ 2005-07-10  0:44 ` Ben Collins
  2005-07-10 13:07 ` A. Eijkhoudt
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Ben Collins @ 2005-07-10  0:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: sparclinux

What's your silo.conf look like?

On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 02:25:35AM +0200, A. Eijkhoudt wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> 
> Thanks for responding. I have, but to no avail. I've tried running SILO 
> with multiple exotic combinations such as -f and -u to force it to 
> rewrite the bootblock for my Ultra. What I don't understand is how the 
> boot sector could get corrupted in the first place. I've also tried 
> putting the first partition back at 'Start = 0' now; no deal.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Arnim
> 
> Ben Collins wrote:
> >After booting from CD, rerun the silo command. Sounds like your boot
> >sector got corrupted, or you moved second.b on your filesystem without
> >rerunning silo.
> >
> >On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 12:12:25AM +0200, A. Eijkhoudt wrote:
> >
> >>Hello all,
> >>
> >>I've upgraded my OBP from 3.11 to 3.31 and now my SUN won't boot 
> >>anymore. Whatever I try at the 'ok' prompt has no effect, it keeps 
> >>saying 'The file just loaded does not appear to be executable'. I've 
> >>tried pretty much all versions of 'boot disk#:#' by now. The system in 
> >>question is a SUN Ultra10, 300MHz, 320MB RAM, 40GB HD Maxtor 6E040L.
> >>
> >>Partition layout:
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc (Sun disk label): 16 heads, 
> >>63 sectors, 16383 cylinders
> >>Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
> >>
> >>                               Device Flag    Start       End 
> >>Blocks   Id  System
> >>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1             1       101     50400 
> >> 83  Linux native
> >>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2           101     79144  39837672 
> >> 83  Linux native
> >>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3             0     79656  40146624 
> >>  5  Whole disk
> >>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4  u      79147     79655    256032 
> >> 82  Linux swap
> >>
> >>Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 (Sun disk label): 16 heads, 
> >>63 sectors, 16383 cylinders
> >>Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
> >>
> >>                                Device Flag    Start       End 
> >>Blocks   Id  System
> >>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p1             1       101 
> >>50400   83  Linux native
> >>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p2           101     79144 
> >>39837672   83  Linux native
> >>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p3             0     79656 
> >>40146624    5  Whole disk
> >>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p4  u      79147     79655 
> >>256032   82  Linux swap
> >></snip>
> >>
> >>As you can see, I can boot fine from CD...
> >>
> >>My SILO configuration:
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>partition=1
> >>root=/dev/hda2
> >>timeout\x10
> >>device=/dev/hda
> >>image=/boot/2.6.12
> >>       label=linux
> >>image=/boot/2.6.12-old
> >>       label=old
> >></snip>
> >>
> >>This is all correct:
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>livecd ~ # ls /boot/
> >>2.6.12      System.map         System.map-2.6.12-old  fd.b     generic.b 
> >>isofs.b     old.b     silo.conf   ultra.b
> >>2.6.12-old  System.map-2.6.12  boot                   first.b  ieee32.b 
> >> lost+found  second.b  silotftp.b
> >></snip>
> >>
> >>Running SILO yields no errors... Can someone please help? There has to 
> >>be a simple way of fixing this, and I really don't believe I'm the only 
> >>one who has ever had this problem either. I've already spent 5(!) hours 
> >>reading every single search result I could find on Google and on the 
> >>Gentoo forums about this... My SUN is pretty much dead in the water 
> >>right now, as I don't feel like booting from a LiveCD just to get it 
> >>beyond the OpenBoot POST.
> >>
> >>Kind regards,
> >>
> >>Arnim Eijkhoudt
> >>-
> >>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe sparclinux" in
> >>the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> >>More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
> >
> >

-- 
Debian     - http://www.debian.org/
Linux 1394 - http://www.linux1394.org/
Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/
SwissDisk  - http://www.swissdisk.com/

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* Re: Desperate after upgrading OBP from 3.11 to 3.31
  2005-07-09 22:12 Desperate after upgrading OBP from 3.11 to 3.31 A. Eijkhoudt
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2005-07-10  0:44 ` Ben Collins
@ 2005-07-10 13:07 ` A. Eijkhoudt
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: A. Eijkhoudt @ 2005-07-10 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: sparclinux

Perhaps this rings a bell for someone:

I just noticed something odd that might be the actual cause of the 
problem. I used to be able to netboot the SUN as well, just slam the 
image into /tftpboot on the TFTP server and done. However, now I get 
'Fast Instruction Access MMU Miss' no matter what image I try to boot 
(most notably, the flash PROM updates from SUN). Perhaps there is 
something set incorrectly in the OpenBoot I should look at?

Arnim.

Ben Collins wrote:
> Sorry. Didn't read far enough.
> 
> Only things that come to my mind is that it is not booting the sectory
> from /dev/hda (maybe some incorrect partition). Or you installed the
> incorrect flash upgrade for your machine.
> 
> Are you sure that 3.31 is the latest? I seem to remember there being a
> newer version than that for your type of Ultra. You can always try
> downgrading your prom back to the older version.
> 
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 02:54:10AM +0200, A. Eijkhoudt wrote:
> 
>>Hello,
>>
>>Right now:
>>
>>gateway boot # cat silo.conf
>>partition=1
>>root=/dev/hda2
>>timeout\x10
>>device=/dev/hda
>>image=/boot/2.6.12
>>        label=linux
>>image=/boot/2.6.12-old
>>        label=old
>>
>>So, the same as listed below in my original posting.
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Arnim.
>>
>>Ben Collins wrote:
>>
>>>What's your silo.conf look like?
>>>
>>>On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 02:25:35AM +0200, A. Eijkhoudt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Ben,
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for responding. I have, but to no avail. I've tried running SILO 
>>>>with multiple exotic combinations such as -f and -u to force it to 
>>>>rewrite the bootblock for my Ultra. What I don't understand is how the 
>>>>boot sector could get corrupted in the first place. I've also tried 
>>>>putting the first partition back at 'Start = 0' now; no deal.
>>>>
>>>>Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>Arnim
>>>>
>>>>Ben Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>After booting from CD, rerun the silo command. Sounds like your boot
>>>>>sector got corrupted, or you moved second.b on your filesystem without
>>>>>rerunning silo.
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 12:12:25AM +0200, A. Eijkhoudt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've upgraded my OBP from 3.11 to 3.31 and now my SUN won't boot 
>>>>>>anymore. Whatever I try at the 'ok' prompt has no effect, it keeps 
>>>>>>saying 'The file just loaded does not appear to be executable'. I've 
>>>>>>tried pretty much all versions of 'boot disk#:#' by now. The system in 
>>>>>>question is a SUN Ultra10, 300MHz, 320MB RAM, 40GB HD Maxtor 6E040L.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Partition layout:
>>>>>>
>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc (Sun disk label): 16 heads, 
>>>>>>63 sectors, 16383 cylinders
>>>>>>Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                            Device Flag    Start       End 
>>>>>>Blocks   Id  System
>>>>>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1             1       101     
>>>>>>50400 83  Linux native
>>>>>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2           101     79144  
>>>>>>39837672 83  Linux native
>>>>>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3             0     79656  
>>>>>>40146624 5  Whole disk
>>>>>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4  u      79147     79655    
>>>>>>256032 82  Linux swap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 (Sun disk label): 16 heads, 
>>>>>>63 sectors, 16383 cylinders
>>>>>>Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                             Device Flag    Start       End 
>>>>>>Blocks   Id  System
>>>>>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p1             1       101 
>>>>>>50400   83  Linux native
>>>>>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p2           101     79144 
>>>>>>39837672   83  Linux native
>>>>>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p3             0     79656 
>>>>>>40146624    5  Whole disk
>>>>>>/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3p4  u      79147     79655 
>>>>>>256032   82  Linux swap
>>>>>></snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As you can see, I can boot fine from CD...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My SILO configuration:
>>>>>>
>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>partition=1
>>>>>>root=/dev/hda2
>>>>>>timeout\x10
>>>>>>device=/dev/hda
>>>>>>image=/boot/2.6.12
>>>>>>    label=linux
>>>>>>image=/boot/2.6.12-old
>>>>>>    label=old
>>>>>></snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is all correct:
>>>>>>
>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>livecd ~ # ls /boot/
>>>>>>2.6.12      System.map         System.map-2.6.12-old  fd.b     
>>>>>>generic.b isofs.b     old.b     silo.conf   ultra.b
>>>>>>2.6.12-old  System.map-2.6.12  boot                   first.b  ieee32.b 
>>>>>>lost+found  second.b  silotftp.b
>>>>>></snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Running SILO yields no errors... Can someone please help? There has to 
>>>>>>be a simple way of fixing this, and I really don't believe I'm the only 
>>>>>>one who has ever had this problem either. I've already spent 5(!) hours 
>>>>>>reading every single search result I could find on Google and on the 
>>>>>>Gentoo forums about this... My SUN is pretty much dead in the water 
>>>>>>right now, as I don't feel like booting from a LiveCD just to get it 
>>>>>>beyond the OpenBoot POST.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Arnim Eijkhoudt
>>>>>>-
>>>>>>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe sparclinux" in
>>>>>>the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>>>>>>More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
> 


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