* [PATCH 2/5] hwclock: clean up message periods/full stops
@ 2014-10-24 2:49 JWP
2014-10-24 11:33 ` Benno Schulenberg
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: JWP @ 2014-10-24 2:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Karel Zak; +Cc: util-linux
33% of message lines terminated with a period/full stop.
This is unsightly and difficult to read. Removed the
full stops, as this appears to be util-linux's norm.
Signed-off-by: J William Piggott <elseifthen@gmx.com>
---
sys-utils/hwclock.c | 98 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++---------------------------
1 file changed, 49 insertions(+), 49 deletions(-)
diff --git a/sys-utils/hwclock.c b/sys-utils/hwclock.c
index ced1314..566ca91 100644
--- a/sys-utils/hwclock.c
+++ b/sys-utils/hwclock.c
@@ -241,7 +241,7 @@ hw_clock_is_utc(const bool utc, const bool local_opt,
/* get info from adjtime file - default is UTC */
ret = (adjtime.local_utc != LOCAL);
if (debug)
- printf(_("Assuming hardware clock is kept in %s time.\n"),
+ printf(_("Assuming hardware clock is kept in %s time\n"),
ret ? _("UTC") : _("local"));
return ret;
}
@@ -317,7 +317,7 @@ static int read_adjtime(struct adjtime *adjtime_p)
adjtime_p->local_utc = UNKNOWN;
if (line3[0]) {
warnx(_("Warning: unrecognized third line in adjtime file\n"
- "(Expected: `UTC' or `LOCAL' or nothing.)"));
+ "(Expected: `UTC' or `LOCAL' or nothing)"));
}
}
@@ -504,7 +504,7 @@ set_hardware_clock(const time_t newtime,
new_broken_time.tm_sec, (long)newtime);
if (testing)
- printf(_("Clock not changed - testing only.\n"));
+ printf(_("Clock not changed - testing only\n"));
else {
if (badyear) {
/*
@@ -571,7 +571,7 @@ set_hardware_clock_exact(const time_t sethwtime,
* in the future) to both the time for which we are waiting and the
* time that we will apply to the Hardware Clock, and start waiting
* again.
- *
+ *
* For example, the caller requests that we set the Hardware Clock to
* 1:02:03, with reference time (current system time) = 6:07:08.250.
* We want the Hardware Clock to update to 1:02:04 at 6:07:09.250 on
@@ -695,7 +695,7 @@ display_time(const bool hclock_valid, struct timeval hwctime)
warnx(_
("The Hardware Clock registers contain values that are "
"either invalid (e.g. 50th day of month) or beyond the range "
- "we can handle (e.g. Year 2095)."));
+ "we can handle (e.g. Year 2095)"));
else {
struct tm *lt;
char *format = "%c";
@@ -734,7 +734,7 @@ static int interpret_date_string(const char *date_opt, time_t * const time_p)
int rc; /* local return code */
if (date_opt == NULL) {
- warnx(_("No --date option specified."));
+ warnx(_("No --date option specified"));
return 14;
}
@@ -747,8 +747,8 @@ static int interpret_date_string(const char *date_opt, time_t * const time_p)
/* Quotes in date_opt would ruin the date command we construct. */
if (strchr(date_opt, '"') != NULL) {
warnx(_
- ("The value of the --date option is not a valid date.\n"
- "In particular, it contains quotation marks."));
+ ("The value of the --date option is not a valid date\n"
+ "In particular, it contains quotation marks"));
return 12;
}
@@ -759,7 +759,7 @@ static int interpret_date_string(const char *date_opt, time_t * const time_p)
date_child_fp = popen(date_command, "r");
if (date_child_fp == NULL) {
- warn(_("Unable to run 'date' program in /bin/sh shell. "
+ warn(_("Unable to run 'date' program in /bin/sh shell "
"popen() failed"));
return 10;
}
@@ -770,7 +770,7 @@ static int interpret_date_string(const char *date_opt, time_t * const time_p)
printf(_("response from date command = %s"), date_resp);
if (strncmp(date_resp, magic, sizeof(magic) - 1) != 0) {
warnx(_("The date command issued by %s returned "
- "unexpected results.\n"
+ "unexpected results\n"
"The command was:\n %s\n"
"The response was:\n %s"),
program_invocation_short_name, date_command, date_resp);
@@ -782,7 +782,7 @@ static int interpret_date_string(const char *date_opt, time_t * const time_p)
if (rc < 1) {
warnx(_("The date command issued by %s returned "
"something other than an integer where the "
- "converted time value was expected.\n"
+ "converted time value was expected\n"
"The command was:\n %s\n"
"The response was:\n %s\n"),
program_invocation_short_name, date_command,
@@ -793,7 +793,7 @@ static int interpret_date_string(const char *date_opt, time_t * const time_p)
*time_p = seconds_since_epoch;
if (debug)
printf(_("date string %s equates to "
- "%ld seconds since 1969.\n"),
+ "%ld seconds since 1969\n"),
date_opt, (long)*time_p);
}
}
@@ -831,7 +831,7 @@ set_system_clock(const bool hclock_valid, const struct timeval newtime,
if (!hclock_valid) {
warnx(_
("The Hardware Clock does not contain a valid time, so "
- "we cannot set the System Time from it."));
+ "we cannot set the System Time from it"));
retcode = 1;
} else {
const struct timeval *tv_null = NULL;
@@ -856,7 +856,7 @@ set_system_clock(const bool hclock_valid, const struct timeval newtime,
}
if (testing) {
printf(_
- ("Not setting system clock because running in test mode.\n"));
+ ("Not setting system clock because running in test mode\n"));
retcode = 0;
} else {
const struct timezone tz = { minuteswest, 0 };
@@ -872,7 +872,7 @@ set_system_clock(const bool hclock_valid, const struct timeval newtime,
if (rc) {
if (errno == EPERM) {
warnx(_
- ("Must be superuser to set system clock."));
+ ("Must be superuser to set system clock"));
retcode = EX_NOPERM;
} else {
warn(_("settimeofday() failed"));
@@ -944,7 +944,7 @@ static int set_system_clock_timezone(const bool universal, const bool testing)
}
if (testing) {
printf(_
- ("Not setting system clock because running in test mode.\n"));
+ ("Not setting system clock because running in test mode\n"));
retcode = 0;
} else {
const struct timezone tz_utc = { 0, 0 };
@@ -968,7 +968,7 @@ static int set_system_clock_timezone(const bool universal, const bool testing)
if (rc) {
if (errno == EPERM) {
warnx(_
- ("Must be superuser to set system clock."));
+ ("Must be superuser to set system clock"));
retcode = EX_NOPERM;
} else {
warn(_("settimeofday() failed"));
@@ -1003,23 +1003,23 @@ adjust_drift_factor(struct adjtime *adjtime_p,
if (!update) {
if (debug)
printf(_("Not adjusting drift factor because the "
- "--update-drift option was not used.\n"));
+ "--update-drift option was not used\n"));
} else if (!hclock_valid) {
if (debug)
printf(_("Not adjusting drift factor because the "
"Hardware Clock previously contained "
- "garbage.\n"));
+ "garbage\n"));
} else if (adjtime_p->last_calib_time == 0) {
if (debug)
printf(_("Not adjusting drift factor because last "
"calibration time is zero,\n"
"so history is bad and calibration startover "
- "is necessary.\n"));
+ "is necessary\n"));
} else if ((hclocktime.tv_sec - adjtime_p->last_calib_time) < 4 * 60 * 60) {
if (debug)
printf(_("Not adjusting drift factor because it has "
"been less than four hours since the last "
- "calibration.\n"));
+ "calibration\n"));
} else if (adjtime_p->last_calib_time != 0) {
/*
* At adjustment time we drift correct the hardware clock
@@ -1056,15 +1056,15 @@ adjust_drift_factor(struct adjtime *adjtime_p,
if (fabs(drift_factor) > MAX_DRIFT) {
if (debug)
printf(_("Clock drift factor was calculated as "
- "%f seconds/day.\n"
- "It is far too much. Resetting to zero.\n"),
+ "%f seconds/day\n"
+ "It is far too much, resetting to zero\n"),
drift_factor);
drift_factor = 0;
} else {
if (debug)
printf(_("Clock drifted %.1f seconds in the past "
"%.1f seconds\nin spite of a drift factor of "
- "%f seconds/day.\n"
+ "%f seconds/day\n"
"Adjusting drift factor by %f seconds/day\n"),
time_diff(nowtime, hclocktime),
time_diff(nowtime, last_calib),
@@ -1139,7 +1139,7 @@ static void save_adjtime(const struct adjtime adjtime, const bool testing)
if (testing) {
printf(_
- ("Not updating adjtime file because of testing mode.\n"));
+ ("Not updating adjtime file because of testing mode\n"));
printf(_("Would have written the following to %s:\n%s"),
adj_file_name, newfile);
} else {
@@ -1170,7 +1170,7 @@ static void save_adjtime(const struct adjtime adjtime, const bool testing)
}
if (err)
warnx(_
- ("Drift adjustment parameters not updated."));
+ ("Drift adjustment parameters not updated"));
}
}
}
@@ -1207,7 +1207,7 @@ do_adjustment(struct adjtime *adjtime_p,
{
if (!hclock_valid) {
warnx(_("The Hardware Clock does not contain a valid time, "
- "so we cannot adjust it."));
+ "so we cannot adjust it"));
adjtime_p->last_calib_time = 0; /* calibration startover is required */
adjtime_p->last_adj_time = 0;
adjtime_p->not_adjusted = 0;
@@ -1215,10 +1215,10 @@ do_adjustment(struct adjtime *adjtime_p,
} else if (adjtime_p->last_adj_time == 0) {
if (debug)
printf(_("Not setting clock because last adjustment time is zero, "
- "so history is bad.\n"));
+ "so history is bad\n"));
} else if (fabs(adjtime_p->drift_factor) > MAX_DRIFT) {
if (debug)
- printf(_("Not setting clock because drift factor %f is far too high.\n"),
+ printf(_("Not setting clock because drift factor %f is far too high\n"),
adjtime_p->drift_factor);
} else {
set_hardware_clock_exact(hclocktime.tv_sec,
@@ -1250,7 +1250,7 @@ static void determine_clock_access_method(const bool user_requests_ISA)
if (ur)
puts(_(ur->interface_name));
else
- printf(_("No usable clock interface found.\n"));
+ printf(_("No usable clock interface found\n"));
}
}
@@ -1375,7 +1375,7 @@ manipulate_clock(const bool show, const bool adjust, const bool noadjfile,
hclocktime, read_time, universal, testing);
else
printf(_("Needed adjustment is less than one second, "
- "so not setting clock.\n"));
+ "so not setting clock\n"));
} else if (systohc) {
struct timeval nowtime, reftime;
/*
@@ -1397,13 +1397,13 @@ manipulate_clock(const bool show, const bool adjust, const bool noadjfile,
rc = set_system_clock(hclock_valid, hclocktime,
testing, universal);
if (rc) {
- printf(_("Unable to set system clock.\n"));
+ printf(_("Unable to set system clock\n"));
return rc;
}
} else if (systz) {
rc = set_system_clock_timezone(universal, testing);
if (rc) {
- printf(_("Unable to set system clock.\n"));
+ printf(_("Unable to set system clock\n"));
return rc;
}
} else if (predict) {
@@ -1411,7 +1411,7 @@ manipulate_clock(const bool show, const bool adjust, const bool noadjfile,
-(tdrift.tv_sec + tdrift.tv_usec / 1E6));
if (debug) {
printf(_
- ("At %ld seconds after 1969, RTC is predicted to read %ld seconds after 1969.\n"),
+ ("At %ld seconds after 1969, RTC is predicted to read %ld seconds after 1969\n"),
set_time, (long)hclocktime.tv_sec);
}
display_time(TRUE, hclocktime);
@@ -1441,9 +1441,9 @@ manipulate_epoch(const bool getepoch __attribute__ ((__unused__)),
const bool testing __attribute__ ((__unused__)))
{
warnx(_("The kernel keeps an epoch value for the Hardware Clock "
- "only on an Alpha machine.\nThis copy of hwclock was built for "
+ "only on an Alpha machine\nThis copy of hwclock was built for "
"a machine other than Alpha\n(and thus is presumably not running "
- "on an Alpha now). No action taken."));
+ "on an Alpha now) No action taken"));
}
# else
static void
@@ -1457,7 +1457,7 @@ manipulate_epoch(const bool getepoch,
if (get_epoch_rtc(&epoch, 0))
warnx(_
- ("Unable to get the epoch value from the kernel."));
+ ("Unable to get the epoch value from the kernel"));
else
printf(_("Kernel is assuming an epoch value of %lu\n"),
epoch);
@@ -1465,14 +1465,14 @@ manipulate_epoch(const bool getepoch,
if (epoch_opt == -1)
warnx(_
("To set the epoch value, you must use the 'epoch' "
- "option to tell to what value to set it."));
+ "option to tell to what value to set it"));
else if (testing)
printf(_
- ("Not setting the epoch to %d - testing only.\n"),
+ ("Not setting the epoch to %d - testing only\n"),
epoch_opt);
else if (set_epoch_rtc(epoch_opt))
printf(_
- ("Unable to set the epoch value in the kernel.\n"));
+ ("Unable to set the epoch value in the kernel\n"));
}
}
# endif /* __alpha__ */
@@ -1878,8 +1878,8 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
}
#endif
if (argc > 0) {
- usage(_("%s takes no non-option arguments. "
- "You supplied %d.\n"), program_invocation_short_name,
+ usage(_("%s takes no non-option arguments\n"
+ "You supplied %d\n"), program_invocation_short_name,
argc);
}
@@ -1900,8 +1900,8 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
rc = interpret_date_string(date_opt, &set_time);
/* (time-consuming) */
if (rc != 0) {
- warnx(_("No usable set-to time. "
- "Cannot set clock."));
+ warnx(_("No usable set-to time, "
+ "cannot set clock"));
hwclock_exit(EX_USAGE);
}
}
@@ -1916,15 +1916,15 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
/* program is designed to run setuid (in some situations) */
if (set || systohc || adjust) {
warnx(_("Sorry, only the superuser can change "
- "the Hardware Clock."));
+ "the Hardware Clock"));
permitted = FALSE;
} else if (systz || hctosys) {
warnx(_("Sorry, only the superuser can change "
- "the System Clock."));
+ "the System Clock"));
permitted = FALSE;
} else if (setepoch) {
warnx(_("Sorry, only the superuser can change the "
- "Hardware Clock epoch in the kernel."));
+ "Hardware Clock epoch in the kernel"));
permitted = FALSE;
} else
permitted = TRUE;
@@ -1947,11 +1947,11 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
determine_clock_access_method(directisa);
if (!ur) {
warnx(_("Cannot access the Hardware Clock via "
- "any known method."));
+ "any known method"));
if (!debug)
warnx(_("Use the --debug option to see the "
"details of our search for an access "
- "method."));
+ "method"));
hwclock_exit(EX_SOFTWARE);
}
}
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* Re: [PATCH 2/5] hwclock: clean up message periods/full stops
2014-10-24 2:49 [PATCH 2/5] hwclock: clean up message periods/full stops JWP
@ 2014-10-24 11:33 ` Benno Schulenberg
2014-10-24 12:37 ` JWP
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Benno Schulenberg @ 2014-10-24 11:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: JWP; +Cc: Karel Zak, Util-Linux
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014, at 04:49, JWP wrote:
> 33% of message lines terminated with a period/full stop.
You mean 33% of hwclock messages, or 33% of util-linux messages?
> This is unsightly and difficult to read.
Ehm... I would think the lack of periods would make things
more difficult to read.
> - ("The value of the --date option is not a valid date.\n"
> - "In particular, it contains quotation marks."));
> + ("The value of the --date option is not a valid date\n"
> + "In particular, it contains quotation marks"));
This is ugly. Two lines of text and it's unclear that the first
sentence ends at the end of the line. If you absolutely want
to get rid of the period, put a semicolon after "valid date" and
lowercase "in particular".
[...]
All just cosmetic changes, invalidating all the translations.
Not nice.
Benno
--
http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different...
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* Re: [PATCH 2/5] hwclock: clean up message periods/full stops
2014-10-24 11:33 ` Benno Schulenberg
@ 2014-10-24 12:37 ` JWP
2014-10-24 12:59 ` Karel Zak
2014-10-24 21:57 ` Lauri Nurmi
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: JWP @ 2014-10-24 12:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Benno Schulenberg; +Cc: Karel Zak, Util-Linux
On 10/24/2014 07:33 AM, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014, at 04:49, JWP wrote:
>> 33% of message lines terminated with a period/full stop.
>
> You mean 33% of hwclock messages, or 33% of util-linux messages?
hwclock
>
>> This is unsightly and difficult to read.
>
> Ehm... I would think the lack of periods would make things
> more difficult to read.
Agreed. However, having 2/3 of the messages without and 1/3 with
makes no sense at all. I am happy to use whatever the project
chooses. Looking at existing hwclock code, boilerplate.c and
howto-usage-function.txt it would appear that not using periods
is the current standard?
>
>> - ("The value of the --date option is not a valid date.\n"
>> - "In particular, it contains quotation marks."));
>> + ("The value of the --date option is not a valid date\n"
>> + "In particular, it contains quotation marks"));
>
> This is ugly. Two lines of text and it's unclear that the first
> sentence ends at the end of the line. If you absolutely want
> to get rid of the period, put a semicolon after "valid date" and
> lowercase "in particular".
That would not make sense to me. Either we use punctuation or we don't.
I am no grammar expert, but if two sentences was originally correct then
it should still be correct.
>
> [...]
>
> All just cosmetic changes, invalidating all the translations.
> Not nice.
My sincere oligopolies to translators, but hwclock is slated for refactoring
and I expect many message changes will be included. Hopefully, the changes
will include improving things for translators.
>
> Benno
>
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* Re: [PATCH 2/5] hwclock: clean up message periods/full stops
2014-10-24 12:37 ` JWP
@ 2014-10-24 12:59 ` Karel Zak
2014-10-24 16:07 ` JWP
2014-10-24 21:57 ` Lauri Nurmi
1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Karel Zak @ 2014-10-24 12:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: JWP; +Cc: Benno Schulenberg, Util-Linux
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 08:37:43AM -0400, JWP wrote:
> My sincere oligopolies to translators, but hwclock is slated for refactoring
> and I expect many message changes will be included. Hopefully, the changes
> will include improving things for translators.
If you really plan to do the refactoring then don't care about
messages at all. The result will be completely different code (I
hope:-). But what we need to to merge all the changes by one pull
request.
Note that the best is to start with date types, try to describe
hwclock by structs (hwclock_control, hwclock_adjtime, hwclock_hwops,
etc.), then write small functions that work with the structs and then
high level logic. See for example cfdisk.c, losetup.c, name.c...
Karel
--
Karel Zak <kzak@redhat.com>
http://karelzak.blogspot.com
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* Re: [PATCH 2/5] hwclock: clean up message periods/full stops
2014-10-24 12:59 ` Karel Zak
@ 2014-10-24 16:07 ` JWP
2014-10-24 20:58 ` Benno Schulenberg
2014-10-27 10:55 ` Karel Zak
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: JWP @ 2014-10-24 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Karel Zak; +Cc: Benno Schulenberg, Util-Linux
On 10/24/2014 08:59 AM, Karel Zak wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 08:37:43AM -0400, JWP wrote:
>> My sincere oligopolies to translators, but hwclock is slated for refactoring
>> and I expect many message changes will be included. Hopefully, the changes
>> will include improving things for translators.
>
> If you really plan to do the refactoring then don't care about
> messages at all. The result will be completely different code (I
> hope:-). But what we need to to merge all the changes by one pull
> request.
oligopolies? How did I do that... sincere apologizes!
Ah, I misunderstood when you wrote:
"I prefer refactoring if possible than write things from scratch. And
for hwclock it's really critical to do the changes in small testable
steps."
I thought you wanted all the small steps submitted and tested in progress.
The intention of this patch set was a first step in making the output cleaner
and easier to read for testing the 'small steps'. It's quite ugly as is.
So what is the util-linux position on message punctuation in general, and
line termination specifically? The documentation seem to imply not using any.
> Note that the best is to start with date types, try to describe
> hwclock by structs (hwclock_control, hwclock_adjtime, hwclock_hwops,
> etc.), then write small functions that work with the structs and then
> high level logic. See for example cfdisk.c, losetup.c, name.c...
Will do.
>
> Karel
>
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* Re: [PATCH 2/5] hwclock: clean up message periods/full stops
2014-10-24 16:07 ` JWP
@ 2014-10-24 20:58 ` Benno Schulenberg
2014-10-27 10:59 ` Karel Zak
2014-10-27 10:55 ` Karel Zak
1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Benno Schulenberg @ 2014-10-24 20:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: JWP; +Cc: Karel Zak, Util-Linux
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014, at 18:07, JWP wrote:
> So what is the util-linux position on message punctuation in general, and
> line termination specifically? The documentation seem to imply not using any.
The current situation is a mess. And the documentation does not say
anything about what error messages, status reports, and imperatives
to the user should look like. The general style seems to be:
1) Error messages (anything that is preceded by the program name
followed by a colon and a space, in thise case "hwclock: ") start with
a lowercase letter and do not end in a period, nor use any period.
2) Status reports and imperatives to the user use full sentences:
they start with a capital letter and end in a period.
So I think the following output is fairly good.
$ ./hwclock --debug
hwclock from util-linux 2.25.379-04c10
hwclock: cannot open /dev/rtc: Permission denied
Using direct I/O instructions to ISA clock.
hwclock: unable to get I/O port access: the iopl(3) call failed.: Operation not permitted
hwclock: Probably you need root privileges.
The last line should not be preceded by "hwclock" as it's not
an error message. And "the iopl(3) call failed." should obviously
not end in a period, and it starts with a space too many.
(Also, the phrases "Permission denied" and "Operation not permitted"
should not be capitalized, but they come from libc, so util-linux
cannot do anything about that.)
With line termination you mean the placings of \n? When they
are needed, to break up a long message, preferably wrap the
text in the program at the same place.
To come back to your patch for a moment:
> printf(_("Clock drift factor was calculated as "
> - "%f seconds/day.\n"
> - "It is far too much. Resetting to zero.\n"),
> + "%f seconds/day\n"
> + "It is far too much, resetting to zero\n"),
> drift_factor);
This would simply be a wrong change. Literally your second line
says that resetting to zero is far too much. When giving status
reports it won't hurt to be very clear, and punctuation is part
of that. If asked, I would rewrite the above message as:
"The clock drift factor was calculated as %f seconds per day.\n"
"This is far too much. It has been reset to zero.\n"
Benno
--
http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail...
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* Re: [PATCH 2/5] hwclock: clean up message periods/full stops
2014-10-24 12:37 ` JWP
2014-10-24 12:59 ` Karel Zak
@ 2014-10-24 21:57 ` Lauri Nurmi
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Lauri Nurmi @ 2014-10-24 21:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Util-Linux
24.10.2014, 15:37, JWP kirjoitti:
> On 10/24/2014 07:33 AM, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014, at 04:49, JWP wrote:
>>> This is unsightly and difficult to read.
>> Ehm... I would think the lack of periods would make things
>> more difficult to read.
> Agreed. However, having 2/3 of the messages without and 1/3 with
> makes no sense at all.
Of course it makes sense e.g. if 1/3 of the messages are sentences and
2/3 are not.
>>> - ("The value of the --date option is not a valid date.\n"
>>> - "In particular, it contains quotation marks."));
>>> + ("The value of the --date option is not a valid date\n"
>>> + "In particular, it contains quotation marks"));
>> This is ugly. Two lines of text and it's unclear that the first
>> sentence ends at the end of the line. If you absolutely want
>> to get rid of the period, put a semicolon after "valid date" and
>> lowercase "in particular".
> That would not make sense to me. Either we use punctuation or we don't.
"We use punctuation where appropriate" is not an option? If you feel
that way, maybe it would be better not to touch the messages.
> I am no grammar expert, but if two sentences was originally correct then
> it should still be correct.
A sentence ends in a period. You removed the period. Now they are
sentences missing a period.
>
>> All just cosmetic changes, invalidating all the translations.
>> Not nice.
> My sincere oligopolies to translators, but hwclock is slated for refactoring
> and I expect many message changes will be included.
Then it is completely unnecessary and silly to introduce this kind of
nonsensical changes at this point. It leads to translators needing to
update the translations not only once, but twice.
BR,
(Mr) Lauri Nurmi
a translator
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* Re: [PATCH 2/5] hwclock: clean up message periods/full stops
2014-10-24 16:07 ` JWP
2014-10-24 20:58 ` Benno Schulenberg
@ 2014-10-27 10:55 ` Karel Zak
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Karel Zak @ 2014-10-27 10:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: JWP; +Cc: Benno Schulenberg, Util-Linux
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:07:55PM -0400, JWP wrote:
> "I prefer refactoring if possible than write things from scratch. And
> for hwclock it's really critical to do the changes in small testable
> steps."
>
> I thought you wanted all the small steps submitted and tested in progress.
It's better to do all in separate branch, believe me, it's more simple
for you and it save our time.
Karel
--
Karel Zak <kzak@redhat.com>
http://karelzak.blogspot.com
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* Re: [PATCH 2/5] hwclock: clean up message periods/full stops
2014-10-24 20:58 ` Benno Schulenberg
@ 2014-10-27 10:59 ` Karel Zak
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Karel Zak @ 2014-10-27 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Benno Schulenberg; +Cc: JWP, Util-Linux
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:58:07PM +0200, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014, at 18:07, JWP wrote:
> > So what is the util-linux position on message punctuation in general, and
> > line termination specifically? The documentation seem to imply not using any.
>
> The current situation is a mess. And the documentation does not say
> anything about what error messages, status reports, and imperatives
I don't think so, but it would be nice to have
Documentation/howto-messages.txt.
> to the user should look like. The general style seems to be:
>
> 1) Error messages (anything that is preceded by the program name
> followed by a colon and a space, in thise case "hwclock: ") start with
> a lowercase letter and do not end in a period, nor use any period.
The preferred way to print error and warning messages is err() and
warn() (or errx() and warnx()).
> 2) Status reports and imperatives to the user use full sentences:
> they start with a capital letter and end in a period.
yep.
Karel
--
Karel Zak <kzak@redhat.com>
http://karelzak.blogspot.com
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