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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Zhu, Lingshan" <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>,
	"virtio@lists.oasis-open.org" <virtio@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"hengqi@linux.alibaba.com" <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>
Subject: [virtio-comment] Re: proposal: use admin command (and aq) of the device to query config space
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 07:53:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230802075306-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM8PR12MB548060C7A27EFF9719FD1987DC0BA@DM8PR12MB5480.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 11:51:21AM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> 
> 
> > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2023 5:05 PM
> 
> > > I said the opposite above, get and set is INBAND from guest driver to device
> > for PF, VF and SIOV through its own delegated resource.
> > > There is no AQ mediation from host.
> > > Hence, there is no risk.
> > 
> > I think there are different requirements from different people.  
> Yes.
> There are two requirements.
> 1. Build SIOV device that can live in hypervisor for having 1.x based PCI device in guest
> 
> 2. Build SIOV device ground up that does not need to have existing limitations of 1.x.
> 
> The transport VQ proposal 4 patches had heavy inclination for #1 without mentioning the real objective in the cover letter.
> I was proposing that when virtio builds SIOV device it should start with #2.
> Because #1 is sort of handled with sr-iov or vdpa already.
> 
> #2 is more critical to get it right, after SIOV R2 spec is defined.


Can't we address both? E.g. use a different group type.


> 
> > For example,
> > consider compatibility. I know it looks like super important right now, and we
> > should make it possible, but it's just like with legacy interface - looked very far
> > away when we introduced non-transitional, to the point where an option in
> > linux to disable legacy talks about "flying cars", but the flying cars are nowhere
> > to be seen and, while we are not where everyone can just drop pre-1.0 bits, a
> > bunch of people are using e.g. vdpa without any legacy, express devices in
> > qemu also disabled legacy, and so on.
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > MST
> 


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  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-02 11:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-01  7:09 [virtio-comment] proposal: use admin command (and aq) of the device to query config space Parav Pandit
2023-08-02  4:20 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-08-02  4:33   ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-08-02  8:45   ` [virtio-comment] " Zhu, Lingshan
2023-08-02  8:59     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-08-02  9:40       ` [virtio-comment] " Zhu, Lingshan
2023-08-02 10:00         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-08-02 11:35           ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-08-02 11:51             ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-08-02 11:53               ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-08-02 11:58                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-08-02 12:10                   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-08-02  8:53 ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2023-08-02  9:07   ` Parav Pandit
2023-08-02  9:32     ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio] " Jason Wang
2023-08-02  9:57       ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-08-02 11:25         ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-08-02 11:29           ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-08-02 11:39             ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-08-02 11:44               ` Parav Pandit
2023-08-02 11:50                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-08-02 11:56                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-08-02 12:09                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-08-03  2:55         ` Jason Wang
2023-08-03 10:13           ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit

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